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<div>Good evening; as “staff” can I just confirm that many of us have been fighting &nbsp;HR issues for many years; we are all ultimately accountable; whatever our roles;&nbsp;</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Niels ten Oever &lt;<a href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org">cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org</a>&gt; on behalf of susan aaronson &lt;<a href="mailto:saaronson2@verizon.net">saaronson2@verizon.net</a>&gt;<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday 29 September 2015 21:22<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Human Rights &lt;<a href="mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org">cc-humanrights@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 10, Issue 23<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><font size="&#43;1"><font face="Century Schoolbook">I made exactly that point in my comments on the document.<br>
You need to illuminate the &quot;How&quot; to IcANN and someone on the board has to take responsibility for the staff that will be held accountable for implementing human rights.
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: draft agenda public session (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
   2. Re: draft agenda public session (Stephanie Perrin)
   3. Re: draft agenda public session (Alexandra Kulikova)


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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 18:43:10 &#43;0000
From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">&lt;michele@blacknight.com&gt;</a>
To: Stephanie Perrin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">&lt;stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca&gt;</a>
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Implementation cannot be in a vacuum
Unfortunately with the best intentions in the world it gets overlooked..
 

Mr. Michele Neylon
Blacknight
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Sent from a small shiny object so excuse fat fingers!

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<pre wrap="">On 29 Sep 2015, at 19:20, Stephanie Perrin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">&lt;stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca&gt;</a> wrote:

concerns about implementation is a likely comment.  But lets not drop Avri, lets just broaden the discussion to include some who will argue that piece.
SP

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<pre wrap="">On 2015-09-29 7:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Avri

Nobody is going to say they don?t support human rights :)

What they might say is that they have concerns about how this is handled ?

Regards

Michele

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<pre wrap="">On 29/09/2015 12:57, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.orgonbehalfofAvriDoria">&quot;cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria&quot;</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.orgonbehalfofavri@acm.org">&lt;cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org&gt;</a> wrote:

good point.
perhaps replace me with someone from the GNSO who does not support human
rights?

avri

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<pre wrap="">On 29-Sep-15 05:06, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Niels &gt; &gt; Just a thought, but wouldn?t it be beneficial to have someone who
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<pre wrap="">wasn?t on your side? &gt; I know there has been pushback on the ?human
rights? issue with respect to CCWG / IANA etc., and having someone from
that side of the house might be more beneficial. &gt; &gt; Regards &gt; &gt; Michele
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On 29/09/2015 00:16, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.orgonbehalfofNielstenOever">&quot;cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of
Niels ten Oever&quot;</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.orgonbehalfofniels@article19.org">&lt;cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of
niels@article19.org&gt;</a> wrote: &gt;
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<pre wrap="">Hello everyone,

Please find underneath my proposal for the draft agenda. Looking
forward to hear your ideas and criticisms. I was thinking of asking
more people to comment, but I'm afraid the number is already quite
high. Looking forward to hear what you think.

Best,

Niels

PS I did not confirm anyone yet.


Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session
===================================

Welcome and Introductions (Niels &amp; Rafik) - 5 minutes

Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG
co-chairs / Lee Hibbard)    - 5 minutes

Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez)    - 5 minutes

Presentation chart (Marilia)    - 10 minutes

Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR
reporting (Motoko)    - 20 minutes

Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4)

Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC)

Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC)

Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO)

Comments by Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC)

Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board)

Q&amp;A

Summary (Marilia)


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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:28:39 -0400
From: Stephanie Perrin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">&lt;stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca&gt;</a>
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Joe Alhadeff, if he is around.  NEed a business constituency person, I 
would suggest.
SP
On 2015-09-29 9:53, Niels ten Oever wrote:
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Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy to add
others. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would you be interested
in asking critical questions?

Best,

Niels

Niels ten Oever
Head of Digital

Article 19
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<pre wrap="">Avri

As a European registrar I?m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a
bunch of things via policy &#43; contract that are, essentially,
illegal.

But I?d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made.
Simply committing to something and assuming it?ll be sorted out
later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the
ICANN space..

So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity
on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.

Regards

Michele

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On 29/09/2015 13:35, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.orgonbehalfofAvriDoria">&quot;cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of
Avri Doria&quot;</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.orgonbehalfofavri@acm.org">&lt;cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org on behalf of
avri@acm.org&gt;</a> wrote:

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<pre wrap="">Hi,

Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did not
support a HR bylaw.

We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but
i think there is a divison between those who belive in the
committment first and working it out as we go.

And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before
making a committment to HR.

So I differentiate between

&quot;I support hr, but ...&quot;

and

&quot;I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going to
implement this&quot;


avri
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Hi all

There was a guy from GoDaddy at the f2f on Saturday who was critical.
They'd be interesting to have in the room after that hr fallout they had re
blocking Crimean domains in February when forced to implement sanctions.

A.
On 29 Sep 2015 21:44, &quot;Stephanie Perrin&quot; <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">&lt;stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca&gt;</a>
wrote:

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<pre wrap="">Joe Alhadeff, if he is around.  NEed a business constituency person, I
would suggest.
SP
On 2015-09-29 9:53, Niels ten Oever wrote:

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Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy to add
others. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would you be interested
in asking critical questions?

Best,

Niels

Niels ten Oever
Head of Digital

Article 19
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On 09/29/2015 02:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Avri

As a European registrar I?m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a
bunch of things via policy &#43; contract that are, essentially,
illegal.

But I?d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made.
Simply committing to something and assuming it?ll be sorted out
later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the
ICANN space..

So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity
on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.

Regards

Michele

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support a HR bylaw.

We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but
i think there is a divison between those who belive in the
committment first and working it out as we go.

And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before
making a committment to HR.

So I differentiate between

&quot;I support hr, but ...&quot;

and

&quot;I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going to
implement this&quot;


avri

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