<p dir="ltr">Hi Niels hi all<br>
Entering the conversation too late probably - was travelling :) <br>
Great idea, Michele! <br>
It does look better now. I like discussions much more than praising chorus. And we will have to address all the opponents' arguments anyway so better to be ready to face them. <br>
Cheers <br>
Tanya </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 29 Sep 2015 19:08, "Niels ten Oever" <<a href="mailto:niels@article19.org">niels@article19.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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OK, so will be exchanging Olivier with James Bladel. Does this look<br>
better to you all?<br>
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Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session v2<br>
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Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes<br>
<br>
Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG<br>
co-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes<br>
<br>
Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) - 5 minutes<br>
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Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes<br>
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Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR<br>
reporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes<br>
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Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4)<br>
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Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC)<br>
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Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC)<br>
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Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO)<br>
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Comments by James Bladel (RrSG)<br>
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Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board)<br>
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Q&A<br>
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Summary (Marilia)<br>
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Best,<br>
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Niels<br>
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On 09/29/2015 06:56 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:<br>
> Avri<br>
><br>
> Exactly<br>
><br>
> There’s little to be gained by having a bunch of people who all<br>
> agree with each other.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> Michele<br>
><br>
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> On 29/09/2015 17:53, "<a href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org">cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf of<br>
> Avri Doria" <<a href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org">cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf of<br>
> <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> The more I think about it the more I like having the panel full<br>
>> of those who have issues with it.<br>
>><br>
>> Maybe ask James Bladel. He voiced concerns in the CCWG meeting.<br>
>><br>
>> avri<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 29-Sep-15 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:<br>
>>> Avri<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks, but my concerns are very simple.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I think you’ll find other contracted parties and people like<br>
>>> Greg would be in a much better position to have a robust<br>
>>> discussion on this<br>
>>><br>
>>> M<br>
>>><br>
>>> -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation &<br>
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>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 29/09/2015 17:28, "Avri Doria" <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Hi,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I also believe that Wolfgang, like many of the Board is<br>
>>>> nervous about ICANN committing itself to HR in a bylaw.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> But it might be good to get someone from the Contracted<br>
>>>> parties on the panel. Like you, Michele.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I can write a blog about how terrible I think it is that<br>
>>>> ICANN cannot even make a simple commitment to respect HR<br>
>>>> within its mission, and can argue from the floor.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> avri<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 29-Sep-15 08:38, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:<br>
>>>>> Avri<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> As a European registrar I’m very conscious that ICANN is<br>
>>>>> forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are,<br>
>>>>> essentially, illegal.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> But I’d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was<br>
>>>>> made. Simply committing to something and assuming it’ll be<br>
>>>>> sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly sane<br>
>>>>> strategy within the ICANN space..<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want<br>
>>>>> clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Regards<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Michele<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting,<br>
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>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On 29/09/2015 13:35, "<a href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org">cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org</a> on<br>
>>>>> behalf of Avri Doria" <<a href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org">cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org</a> on<br>
>>>>> behalf of <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Hi,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who<br>
>>>>>> did not support a HR bylaw.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We all have questions about how a commitment is<br>
>>>>>> implemented, but i think there is a divison between those<br>
>>>>>> who belive in the committment first and working it out as<br>
>>>>>> we go.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> And those who want to know exactly what the future holds<br>
>>>>>> before making a committment to HR.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> So I differentiate between<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> "I support hr, but ..."<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> and<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> "I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are<br>
>>>>>> going to implement this"<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> avri<br>
>>>><br>
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