<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi everyone,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">can we may set back a little here and check the proposed agenda.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">my understanding is the session will give an opportunity to present updates: what was done within the CCWP with the ,under ongoing consultation, HRIA document and also 2 possibles deliverables aimed for mapping and indicate where it is possible to intervene. Those kind of material will help for more awareness and education within the community, in addition all the reports published lately by Article19. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">On other hand, with regard to CCWG we are going to get updates from WP4. this doesn't mean that we are going to make decision about what is happening in WP4. as CCWP we can give input and participate in that discussion within the CCWG. About the HR commitment in bylaw, I don't want to see that as for and against, we are not setting a oxford style debate here and we are not going to achieve so much like that. We have also the CCWP working session where we can plan on how to interact and liaise with WP4 if needed.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">about adding names, I would think we should avoid long list of speaking heads which leaves little space for real discussion and interaction, with more entrenched point of views. so maybe we can have the updates first and the open the floor for discussion. We would invite "pros" and "cons" instead to join as discussants so we can make the Q&A phase quite interactive. I acknowledge that is not necessarily optimal neither thrilling for the invitees but at least we can aim to have a structured discussion leading to some useful output.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">what about this shorten version:</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">co-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) - 5 minutes</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">reporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Q&A: first questions by invited discussants</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-09-30 3:43 GMT+09:00 Michele Neylon - Blacknight <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Implementation cannot be in a vacuum<br>
Unfortunately with the best intentions in the world it gets overlooked..<br>
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Mr. Michele Neylon<br>
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> On 29 Sep 2015, at 19:20, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
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> concerns about implementation is a likely comment. But lets not drop Avri, lets just broaden the discussion to include some who will argue that piece.<br>
> SP<br>
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>> On 2015-09-29 7:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:<br>
>> Avri<br>
>><br>
>> Nobody is going to say they don’t support human rights :)<br>
>><br>
>> What they might say is that they have concerns about how this is handled …<br>
>><br>
>> Regards<br>
>><br>
>> Michele<br>
>><br>
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>>> On 29/09/2015 12:57, "<a href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org">cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf of Avri Doria" <<a href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org">cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> good point.<br>
>>> perhaps replace me with someone from the GNSO who does not support human<br>
>>> rights?<br>
>>><br>
>>> avri<br>
>>><br>
>>>> On 29-Sep-15 05:06, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:<br>
>>>> Niels > > Just a thought, but wouldn’t it be beneficial to have someone who<br>
>>> wasn’t on your side? > I know there has been pushback on the “human<br>
>>> rights” issue with respect to CCWG / IANA etc., and having someone from<br>
>>> that side of the house might be more beneficial. > > Regards > > Michele<br>
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>>> On 29/09/2015 00:16, "<a href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org">cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf of<br>
>>> Niels ten Oever" <<a href="mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org">cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf of<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:niels@article19.org">niels@article19.org</a>> wrote: ><br>
>>>> Hello everyone,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Please find underneath my proposal for the draft agenda. Looking<br>
>>>> forward to hear your ideas and criticisms. I was thinking of asking<br>
>>>> more people to comment, but I'm afraid the number is already quite<br>
>>>> high. Looking forward to hear what you think.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Best,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Niels<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> PS I did not confirm anyone yet.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session<br>
>>>> ===================================<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG<br>
>>>> co-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) - 5 minutes<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR<br>
>>>> reporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Comments by Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Q&A<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Summary (Marilia)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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