<div dir="ltr">Niels, I would like to take your optimistic position but I am not sure I can keep the same faith in this process.<div>Trying to explain what I mean again: </div><div>you are citing the board's comments to CCWG proposal. The proposal of the board in the comments is the alternative way they propose to bring forward <b>instead</b> of a bylaw commitment (suggested by CCWG). It's not an obligation of the board, this is a mere suggestion that we are free to accept in <b>exchange</b> to the bylaw language.</div><div>So I am not excited, really. I think the board proposed this is an alternative way and as an exchange to the CCWG proposal. It doesn't look to me like any suggestion/commitment to do the parallel processes. I find the proposed way non-inclusive, top-down and non-transparent. uf we follow the way the board proposed, we can get another example of WHOIS review (you quoted only one part of the comments, why not quote their further suggestion that clearly point that all they suggest is statement and review? :))</div><div>And comments to the CCG proposal are not commitments anyway. Just comments.</div><div>Cheers</div><div>Tanya </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 January 2016 at 12:32, Niels ten Oever <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:niels@article19.org" target="_blank">niels@article19.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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</span>Hi all,<br>
<br>
I agree with Matthew. But I have a bit different interpretation from<br>
Tatiana of the board comment. Because it seems like the board states<br>
it will go ahead with a proposal for work on human rights at any rate<br>
because they have committed themselves to that for Marakesh. I am<br>
curious what they will come up with and then we can develop our<br>
opinion, because for me it's quite unclear what they will propose and<br>
how it will be developed.<br>
<br>
At the same time I trust we will all be working hard in the CCWG to<br>
have a human rights commitment in the bylaw. I think we need a<br>
commitment in the bylaw, a human rights statement, a standard for<br>
human rights impact assessment and a human rights policy, so I don't<br>
think these processes are mutually exclusive.<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
<br>
Niels<br>
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</span><span class="">On 01/08/2016 12:15 PM, Tatiana Tropina wrote:<br>
> +1 to Matthew The statement of the board contradicts itself: they<br>
> are going to work with the community but at the same time the way<br>
> they suggest to work has no community engagement whatsoever. What<br>
> is more important, the quotation cited from the board comment is<br>
> their suggestion of the alternative way to what we came up with in<br>
> CCWG. So I do not quite get the idea: are we going the way the<br>
> board suggested in the public comments to CCWG 3rd Draft proposal?<br>
> Or am I missing something? I thought we'd rather prefer the way<br>
> that was suggested in CCWG report and not the actions proposed by<br>
> the board. (And I don't think we can have both). Cheers Tanya<br>
><br>
> On 8 January 2016 at 12:10, Matthew Shears <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a><br>
</span><span class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi Niels - see inline<br>
><br>
> On 08/01/2016 11:02, Niels ten Oever wrote:<br>
><br>
</span><div><div class="h5">> Dear all,<br>
><br>
> Hereby our session description for our session requests for<br>
> Marakesh. With the GAC Human Rights and International Law Working<br>
> Group we agreed we would request for a joint meeting on Tuesday at<br>
> 18:00.<br>
><br>
> It's seems to going to be a very interesting meeting in Marakesh<br>
> since the board will also inform us on their plans to develop a<br>
> Human Rights Statement with the community (as detailed in their<br>
> comment to CCWG Accountability Draft Report 3) [0]<br>
><br>
><br>
>> Not really sure I understand the logic of the Board's plan to go<br>
>> off and develop a Human Rights Statement if that is indeed their<br>
>> plan. Surely it would be more productive to work on such a<br>
>> statement (if it is needed and that has yet to be determined)<br>
>> together with the community....<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> And the CCWG on Accountability will also hold a pre-meeting on the<br>
> preceding Friday.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Niels<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> [0] . The Board will work with the community to develop a Human<br>
> Rights Statement (a practice inspired by the Ruggie Principles),<br>
> including by engaging an expert to assist in the<br>
> development. ICANN will report to the community at the ICANN<br>
> 55 Marrakesh meeting on the status of work and timelines<br>
> for community input and review. (from:<br>
> <a href="https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-draft-ccwg-accountability-propo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-draft-ccwg-accountability-propo</a><br>
sa<br>
><br>
><br>
l-30nov15/pdfqWpXzRecih.pdf<br>
> )<br>
><br>
><br>
> ___________________<br>
><br>
> Session Title: ICANN and Human Rights<br>
><br>
> Type of Meeting: Open Meeting<br>
><br>
> Session Overview: ICANNs impact on human rights and a possible<br>
> commitment to respect human rights has become a topic of discussion<br>
> in different parts of the community. This sessions will provide an<br>
> overview of human rights relating issues that are currently being<br>
> discussed in ICANN, present the work done in the framework of the<br>
> cross community working party on ICANN's Corporate and Social<br>
> Responsibility to Respect Human Rights, and provide an overview of<br>
> issues and principles on Intermediary Liability.<br>
><br>
> This session builds on the sessions held in London, Los Angeles,<br>
> Singapore, Buenos Aires and Dublin on this issue as well as the<br>
> previous reports that were produced on this topic which can be<br>
> found here: <a href="http://icannhumanrights.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://icannhumanrights.net</a><br>
><br>
> Agenda: A detailed agenda will be provided closer to the meeting<br>
> date.<br>
><br>
> Preferred Date, Time and Length of Meeting: Monday March 7 13:45 -<br>
> 15:00 or Wednesday March 9 15:45 - 17:00<br>
><br>
> Preferred Room Set-up: We would prefer a “U” shape table to allow<br>
> for productive and interactive dialogue among participants<br>
><br>
> Meeting Overview: There will be no breaks<br>
><br>
> Estimated Number of Attendees: 50 – 60 attendees, based on the<br>
> number of people at the meeting in Dublin<br>
><br>
> Remote Presenters and Participation: No remote presenters are<br>
> anticipated. However, there would be remote participants<br>
><br>
> Audio Visual Requirements The following audio/visual needs are<br>
> requested: Table microphones will need to be spaced on the tables<br>
> for every 2-3 seats; Two wireless hand microphones and one<br>
> microphone stand (microphone in microphone stand for questions from<br>
> attendees, and tow hand held microphone to circulate if needed);<br>
> Dedicated laptop computer to manage Adobe Connect and all<br>
> presentations;<br>
><br>
> Adobe Connect with audio; Teleconference bridge for remote<br>
> participates with toll-free dial in capability; Recording and<br>
> transcript of the session.<br>
><br>
> Fixed Breaks There will be no breaks.<br>
><br>
><br>
> _________________________<br>
><br>
><br>
> Working Session of CCWP on ICANN's Corporate and Social<br>
> Responsibility to Respect Human Rights<br>
><br>
> Session Title: CCWP on ICANN's Corporate & Social Responsibility<br>
> to Respect Human Rights Working Session<br>
><br>
> Type of Meeting: Open Meeting<br>
><br>
> Session Overview: Working session of Cross Community Working Party<br>
> on ICANN's Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human<br>
> Rights<br>
><br>
> This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and<br>
> understand the issues and potential solutions related to corporate<br>
> and social responsibilities of the Internet Corporation for<br>
> Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). This is related, but not<br>
> limited to policies, procedures and operations, with a particular<br>
> focus on ICANNs responsibility to respect human rights.<br>
><br>
> The objective of this session will be to facilitate dialogue<br>
> between members of the community that have an interest in this<br>
> topic. We will discuss in depth the research that has been done,<br>
> the relevant issues at hand in the ICANN community convening human<br>
> rights, and define the next steps for the CCWP.<br>
><br>
> Agenda A detailed agenda will be provided closer to the meeting<br>
> date.<br>
><br>
> Preferred Date, Time and Length of Meeting We would like to request<br>
> a 1 hour block of time on Wednesday, 09 March 2016, 1700 – 1800,<br>
> Morocco time.<br>
><br>
> Preferred Room Set-up: We would prefer a “U” shape table to allow<br>
> for productive and interactive dialogue among the members.<br>
><br>
> Meeting Overview: There will be no breaks.<br>
><br>
> Estimated Number of Attendees: 30 – 40 attendees, based on the<br>
> number of people at the meeting in Dublin<br>
><br>
> Remote Presenters and Participation: No remote presenters are<br>
> anticipated. However, there would be remote participants<br>
><br>
> Audio Visual Requirements: The following audio/visual needs are<br>
> requested:<br>
><br>
> Table microphones will need to be spaced on the tables for every<br>
> 2-3 seats; Two wireless hand microphones and one microphone stand<br>
> (microphone in microphone stand for questions from attendees, and<br>
> tow hand held microphone to circulate if needed); Dedicated laptop<br>
> computer to manage Adobe Connect and all presentations;<br>
><br>
> Adobe Connect with audio; Teleconference bridge for remote<br>
> participates with toll-free dial in capability; Recording and<br>
> transcript of the session.<br>
><br>
> Fixed Breaks There will be no breaks.<br>
><br>
</div></div><span class="">> -- Niels ten Oever Head of Digital<br>
><br>
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