<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the clarification, Niels.<div>Well, if we can constructive work with the board without sacrifising our position for having a bylaw and a framework at the CCWG - I am more than keen to participate in this dialogue. I was questioning the alternative proposal because I am confident that the lawyers will not find any additional risks in proposed bylaw language, so I am fully confident that a bylaw and a framework is the highest priority.</div><div>However, you are right - it doesn't exclude the possibility that the board makes this statement, as it is proposed in the comments :) I also hope that the way of working on this would be more inclusive than it is outlined in the comments to the CCWG proposal.</div><div>Cheers</div><div>Tanya </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 January 2016 at 12:47, Niels ten Oever <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:niels@article19.org" target="_blank">niels@article19.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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</span>Hi Tatiana,<br>
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Just to make it clear: I would not accept such an exchange :)<br>
<br>
Let's see how it spins out. First we'll have the legal analysis of the<br>
board comment in the CCWG. I expect the lawyers to conclude that there<br>
are no increased risks because of the commitments, which will void the<br>
board comments.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
<span class=""><br>
Niels<br>
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Head of Digital<br>
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</span><span class="">On 01/08/2016 12:41 PM, Tatiana Tropina wrote:<br>
> Niels, I would like to take your optimistic position but I am not<br>
> sure I can keep the same faith in this process. Trying to explain<br>
> what I mean again: you are citing the board's comments to CCWG<br>
> proposal. The proposal of the board in the comments is the<br>
</span>> alternative way they propose to bring forward *instead* of a bylaw<br>
<span class="">> commitment (suggested by CCWG). It's not an obligation of the<br>
> board, this is a mere suggestion that we are free to accept in<br>
</span>> *exchange* to the bylaw language. So I am not excited, really. I<br>
<span class="">> think the board proposed this is an alternative way and as an<br>
> exchange to the CCWG proposal. It doesn't look to me like any<br>
> suggestion/commitment to do the parallel processes. I find the<br>
> proposed way non-inclusive, top-down and non-transparent. uf we<br>
> follow the way the board proposed, we can get another example of<br>
> WHOIS review (you quoted only one part of the comments, why not<br>
> quote their further suggestion that clearly point that all they<br>
> suggest is statement and review? :)) And comments to the CCG<br>
> proposal are not commitments anyway. Just comments. Cheers Tanya<br>
><br>
> On 8 January 2016 at 12:32, Niels ten Oever <<a href="mailto:niels@article19.org">niels@article19.org</a><br>
</span><span class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:niels@article19.org">niels@article19.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> I agree with Matthew. But I have a bit different interpretation<br>
> from Tatiana of the board comment. Because it seems like the board<br>
> states it will go ahead with a proposal for work on human rights at<br>
> any rate because they have committed themselves to that for<br>
> Marakesh. I am curious what they will come up with and then we can<br>
> develop our opinion, because for me it's quite unclear what they<br>
> will propose and how it will be developed.<br>
><br>
> At the same time I trust we will all be working hard in the CCWG<br>
> to have a human rights commitment in the bylaw. I think we need a<br>
> commitment in the bylaw, a human rights statement, a standard for<br>
> human rights impact assessment and a human rights policy, so I<br>
> don't think these processes are mutually exclusive.<br>
><br>
> All the best,<br>
><br>
> Niels<br>
><br>
> Niels ten Oever Head of Digital<br>
><br>
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</span><span class="">> On 01/08/2016 12:15 PM, Tatiana Tropina wrote:<br>
>> +1 to Matthew The statement of the board contradicts itself:<br>
>> they are going to work with the community but at the same time<br>
>> the way they suggest to work has no community engagement<br>
>> whatsoever. What is more important, the quotation cited from the<br>
>> board comment is their suggestion of the alternative way to what<br>
>> we came up with in CCWG. So I do not quite get the idea: are we<br>
>> going the way the board suggested in the public comments to CCWG<br>
>> 3rd Draft proposal? Or am I missing something? I thought we'd<br>
>> rather prefer the way that was suggested in CCWG report and not<br>
>> the actions proposed by the board. (And I don't think we can have<br>
>> both). Cheers Tanya<br>
><br>
>> On 8 January 2016 at 12:10, Matthew Shears <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a><br>
</span>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a><br>
<div><div class="h5">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi Niels - see inline<br>
><br>
>> On 08/01/2016 11:02, Niels ten Oever wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Dear all,<br>
><br>
>> Hereby our session description for our session requests for<br>
>> Marakesh. With the GAC Human Rights and International Law<br>
>> Working Group we agreed we would request for a joint meeting on<br>
>> Tuesday at 18:00.<br>
><br>
>> It's seems to going to be a very interesting meeting in Marakesh<br>
>> since the board will also inform us on their plans to develop a<br>
>> Human Rights Statement with the community (as detailed in their<br>
>> comment to CCWG Accountability Draft Report 3) [0]<br>
><br>
><br>
>>> Not really sure I understand the logic of the Board's plan to<br>
>>> go off and develop a Human Rights Statement if that is indeed<br>
>>> their plan. Surely it would be more productive to work on such<br>
>>> a statement (if it is needed and that has yet to be<br>
>>> determined) together with the community....<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> And the CCWG on Accountability will also hold a pre-meeting on<br>
>> the preceding Friday.<br>
><br>
>> Best,<br>
><br>
>> Niels<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> [0] . The Board will work with the community to develop a Human<br>
>> Rights Statement (a practice inspired by the Ruggie<br>
>> Principles), including by engaging an expert to assist in<br>
>> the development. ICANN will report to the community at the<br>
>> ICANN 55 Marrakesh meeting on the status of work and<br>
>> timelines for community input and review. (from:<br>
>> <a href="https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-draft-ccwg-accountability-prop" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-draft-ccwg-accountability-prop</a><br>
o<br>
><br>
>><br>
sa<br>
><br>
><br>
> l-30nov15/pdfqWpXzRecih.pdf<br>
>> )<br>
><br>
><br>
>> ___________________<br>
><br>
>> Session Title: ICANN and Human Rights<br>
><br>
>> Type of Meeting: Open Meeting<br>
><br>
>> Session Overview: ICANNs impact on human rights and a possible<br>
>> commitment to respect human rights has become a topic of<br>
>> discussion in different parts of the community. This sessions<br>
>> will provide an overview of human rights relating issues that are<br>
>> currently being discussed in ICANN, present the work done in the<br>
>> framework of the cross community working party on ICANN's<br>
>> Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights, and<br>
>> provide an overview of issues and principles on Intermediary<br>
>> Liability.<br>
><br>
>> This session builds on the sessions held in London, Los Angeles,<br>
>> Singapore, Buenos Aires and Dublin on this issue as well as the<br>
>> previous reports that were produced on this topic which can be<br>
>> found here: <a href="http://icannhumanrights.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://icannhumanrights.net</a><br>
><br>
>> Agenda: A detailed agenda will be provided closer to the meeting<br>
>> date.<br>
><br>
>> Preferred Date, Time and Length of Meeting: Monday March 7 13:45<br>
>> - 15:00 or Wednesday March 9 15:45 - 17:00<br>
><br>
>> Preferred Room Set-up: We would prefer a “U” shape table to<br>
>> allow for productive and interactive dialogue among participants<br>
><br>
>> Meeting Overview: There will be no breaks<br>
><br>
>> Estimated Number of Attendees: 50 – 60 attendees, based on the<br>
>> number of people at the meeting in Dublin<br>
><br>
>> Remote Presenters and Participation: No remote presenters are<br>
>> anticipated. However, there would be remote participants<br>
><br>
>> Audio Visual Requirements The following audio/visual needs are<br>
>> requested: Table microphones will need to be spaced on the<br>
>> tables for every 2-3 seats; Two wireless hand microphones and<br>
>> one microphone stand (microphone in microphone stand for<br>
>> questions from attendees, and tow hand held microphone to<br>
>> circulate if needed); Dedicated laptop computer to manage Adobe<br>
>> Connect and all presentations;<br>
><br>
>> Adobe Connect with audio; Teleconference bridge for remote<br>
>> participates with toll-free dial in capability; Recording and<br>
>> transcript of the session.<br>
><br>
>> Fixed Breaks There will be no breaks.<br>
><br>
><br>
>> _________________________<br>
><br>
><br>
>> Working Session of CCWP on ICANN's Corporate and Social<br>
>> Responsibility to Respect Human Rights<br>
><br>
>> Session Title: CCWP on ICANN's Corporate & Social Responsibility<br>
>> to Respect Human Rights Working Session<br>
><br>
>> Type of Meeting: Open Meeting<br>
><br>
>> Session Overview: Working session of Cross Community Working<br>
>> Party on ICANN's Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect<br>
>> Human Rights<br>
><br>
>> This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and<br>
>> understand the issues and potential solutions related to<br>
>> corporate and social responsibilities of the Internet Corporation<br>
>> for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). This is related, but not<br>
>> limited to policies, procedures and operations, with a<br>
>> particular focus on ICANNs responsibility to respect human<br>
>> rights.<br>
><br>
>> The objective of this session will be to facilitate dialogue<br>
>> between members of the community that have an interest in this<br>
>> topic. We will discuss in depth the research that has been done,<br>
>> the relevant issues at hand in the ICANN community convening<br>
>> human rights, and define the next steps for the CCWP.<br>
><br>
>> Agenda A detailed agenda will be provided closer to the meeting<br>
>> date.<br>
><br>
>> Preferred Date, Time and Length of Meeting We would like to<br>
>> request a 1 hour block of time on Wednesday, 09 March 2016, 1700<br>
>> – 1800, Morocco time.<br>
><br>
>> Preferred Room Set-up: We would prefer a “U” shape table to<br>
>> allow for productive and interactive dialogue among the members.<br>
><br>
>> Meeting Overview: There will be no breaks.<br>
><br>
>> Estimated Number of Attendees: 30 – 40 attendees, based on the<br>
>> number of people at the meeting in Dublin<br>
><br>
>> Remote Presenters and Participation: No remote presenters are<br>
>> anticipated. However, there would be remote participants<br>
><br>
>> Audio Visual Requirements: The following audio/visual needs are<br>
>> requested:<br>
><br>
>> Table microphones will need to be spaced on the tables for every<br>
>> 2-3 seats; Two wireless hand microphones and one microphone<br>
>> stand (microphone in microphone stand for questions from<br>
>> attendees, and tow hand held microphone to circulate if needed);<br>
>> Dedicated laptop computer to manage Adobe Connect and all<br>
>> presentations;<br>
><br>
>> Adobe Connect with audio; Teleconference bridge for remote<br>
>> participates with toll-free dial in capability; Recording and<br>
>> transcript of the session.<br>
><br>
>> Fixed Breaks There will be no breaks.<br>
><br>
>> -- Niels ten Oever Head of Digital<br>
><br>
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