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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear ccPDP-RM Working Group,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Per action item #2, please find the attached document regarding the highlighted decisions in Draft RoE v1.6. We look forward to answering any additional questions you may have.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Selina Harrington</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">Ccpdp-rm <ccpdp-rm-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Naela Sarras <naela.sarras@iana.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, July 31, 2020 at 9:34 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Joke Braeken <joke.braeken@icann.org>, "ccpdp-rm@icann.org" <ccpdp-rm@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Ccpdp-rm] NOTES | ccPDP on Review Mechanism | 29 July 2020 | 04:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Joke,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Can you please share </span><span style="color:black">Draft RoE v1.6 (or whichever is the latest) of the document on this list so we can work on action item #2 below?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Naela</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Naela Sarras</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Director, IANA Operations</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ICANN</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">Ccpdp-rm <ccpdp-rm-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Joke Braeken <joke.braeken@icann.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 9:57 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"ccpdp-rm@icann.org" <ccpdp-rm@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Ccpdp-rm] NOTES | ccPDP on Review Mechanism | 29 July 2020 | 04:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please find included below the action items and high level notes from today’s ccPDP3-RM meeting, held on 29 July at 04:00 UTC. all calls are recorded; recordings posted on the public wiki:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/mgR1C">https://community.icann.org/x/mgR1C</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Joke Braeken</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">ACTION ITEMS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><i><span style="color:black">Action item #1: </span></i></b><span style="color:black">staff to send Eberhard some written text regarding an addition (recommendation from FOI that the decision of revocation should be subject to review), to be added by Eberhard
to the revised version of the document</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:.5in"><b><i><span style="color:black">Action item #2:</span></i></b><span style="color:black"> PTI staff to comment on Draft RoE v1.6 via the mailing list</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">NOTES</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Welcome and roll call</span></b><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Welcome by Chair Stephen Deerhake.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">In the interest of time, there will be no roll call. Apologies have been received from Vanda Scartezini. As a reminder, all calls are recorded; recordings posted on the public wiki:
</span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/mgR1C"><span style="color:#1155CC">https://community.icann.org/x/mgR1C</span></a><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><b><i><span style="color:black">ccPDP Retirement Public Comments</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">call on 6</span><sup><span style="font-size:6.5pt;color:black">th</span></sup><span style="color:black"> August at 17:00 UTC.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Group to review the public comments. Staff will provide a summary of the comments, by subject manner. ccPDP3-RM WG members are invited to attend the ccPDP3-RET WG meeting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Participation from ICANN legal: name of the person joining will be communicated shortly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><b><span style="color:black">Identify decision points table – next steps</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Eberhard presenting his viewpoints. Draft RoE v1.6.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Critique regarding speed of the WG discarded: more focused on the quality of the product.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Document written by Bart, reviewed by Eberhard. Changed some typos, tenses.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Based on PTI presentation, provided by Kim Davies</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Page 7. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Naela</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">For both of the yellow items, those items are not mandatory but if included are tested for</span><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">
</span><span style="color:black">.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Not everything is expected to work at the beginning of the process, but at the time they are in the root zone, everything is expected to be working.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Page 7, 8, 9.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Legal requirements: US or host country?</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">How is technical competence tested? (see .ss case)</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Was never mandatory to have a registration policy</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Bart</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">To be included: recommendation from FOI that the decision of revocation should be subject to review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><i><span style="color:black">Action item #1: </span></i></b><span style="color:black">staff to send Eberhard some written text regarding an addition (recommendation from FOI that the decision of revocation should be subject to review), to be added by Eberhard
to the revised version of the document</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:.5in"><b><i><span style="color:black">Action item #2:</span></i></b><span style="color:black"> PTI staff to comment on Draft RoE v1.6 via the mailing list</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Allan: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">if a decision is excluded from this review mechanism, can this decision still be subject to another review mechanism?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Stephen: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">when US oversight was removed, the CCWG excluded ccTLDs from all review mechanisms, at request of the ccTLDs. Answer therefore is no. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">other review mechanisms do not apply to delegate, transfer, revocation. Council decisions might be subject to review. Review mechanism should be the one we develop</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Bart: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">According to the Framework of Interpretation working group the term “Revocation” (section 3.5 of RFC1591) refers to the process by which the IANA Operator rescinds responsibility for management
of a ccTLD from an incumbent manager . </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">
</span><span style="color:black">Further section 4.8. of the FoI. Note: The FOI WG believes it is consistent with RFC1591 (section 3.4) and the duty to act fairly
to recognize the manager has the right to appeal a notice of revocation by the IANA Operator to an independent body.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Nigel: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Accountability mechanisms refer to any board or staff (in)action that have an effect on the complainant. What Allan said needs to be explored more in detail.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Allan:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Concerns: uneven playfield. There could be a comparable situation with a gTLD where a certain aspect is subject to a review, and a ccTLD would not have the same opportunity. Scope of the
review to be further explored. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Eberhard:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Whatever PTI staff does, goes into accountability review. Most of gTLD issues arise from contracts.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">If we identify decisions that should be subject to review, they should cover what is current, but leave some options for future developments</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Nigel:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">ccTLDs do not have contracts: that is partially correct. 2 or 3 ccTLDs have contracted to ICANN. ICANN ought to revise and streamline it. We should design a mechanism that should be applied
to all ccTLDs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Eberhard:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">.jp, .ke, au. We should be mindful. They should not be the focus of our deliberations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Bart:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">There are still 8 `sponsorship` Agreements and 7 MoU. over 50 exchange of letters</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">
</span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.icann.org/resources/pages/cctlds/cctlds-en__;!!PtGJab4!sphdA2_QOsufFIf1MBnSsCLnSVMXLZjk44cLJj5M0hP79KgeUx9lzXOV_lQdcGtvqm4IKT0$"><span style="color:#1155CC">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/cctlds/cctlds-en</span>
[icann.org]</a><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Patricio:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Do we want to go into finer granularity? Any action or inaction that …. Sounds like the right level of detail. If we say that actions or inactions from PTI that firmly reject a ccTLD for
technical reasons should be subject to review: That would be sufficient. We do not need to specify the details, such as “if a URL does not work”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Bart:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Note that this follows the track we have used regarding understanding the decision points of understanding the retirement process. It was clear for staff that this is too detailed, however
it is an easier way to identify the decision points that are relevant. This table is used to identify decision points that should be subject to a review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">We should send a complete table, so that people have a sense of where we end up.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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