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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Below are the high-level notes from today’s ccPDP-RM meeting, held on 2 December at 21 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Joke Braeken<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Welcome by Chair Stephen Deerhake. Thanks all for participating. Apology from Nigel Roberts and Vanda Scartezini. Recordings/transcripts will be posted on the public wiki:
</span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/JI3zC"><span style="color:#1155CC">https://community.icann.org/x/JI3zC</span></a><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Sam Eisner is pleased with the work so far. She is happy to join a meeting in January to start discussing options.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">=> line 1</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">If there is a revocation, using same lines for redelegation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Unclear how that would work if there is more than one applicant.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">We may need to iron out with PTI how that would work</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: country established. Cctld .ss given by iso. PTI never said “we are not going to delegate that”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">.um was delegated and removed based on instructions from US government. Other example was mentioned.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Kim: .um was removed based on request from university from southern california</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard disagrees</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Allan: we explored the situation where PTI refuses because of insufficient information.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">=> line 2</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bernie added the column “other mechanisms”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Ombuds response: Bernie will inform group of the response<o:p></o:p></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
Reconsideration request<o:p></o:p></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
Mediation <o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Issue listed in last column. PTI could say the application is deficient. Is that a refusal?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bart: is the PTI escalation procedure part of the other mechanisms?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Kim: the escalation procedures generally link to performance problems. You could categorise this as such. Unsure. It was not the intent to be used for this purpose. Complaint resolution process states it will
be escalated. Just a commitment that this is how we do things. It is not in the procedures, contracts, bylaws or similar. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bernie: useful to include</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: there must be some form of recourse if PTI says it is deficient</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">If they get a sense that a delegation will be approved by the Board (see Board Agenda), someone could appeal and apply and delay the delegation. Timeline for applications?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: say that new applications will not be accepted for pending applications. Western Sahara: 2 applications with equal support. In that case both sides could appeal. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bernie: see previous point. If an application is incomplete, one or both could appeal that</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Timeline for which people can apply for a ccTLD?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: just wants to avoid the gaming</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bernie: fair notice is important. 30 day notice that applications will be closing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: process needs to end somehow.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bart: be careful not to open the delegation process as such. That is out of scope. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: we should only deal with appeal mechanisms. And make recommendations to PTI if needed. Stresstest</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Kim: supports what was said. Dealing with a case right now. One application is near finish line. Second competing application to come in. Where to draw the line? If the first one is successful, what does that
do with the second one? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Stephen: please take notes. Useful for our stress testing</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Maarten: what is the first moment that an application for a delegation becomes public?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Kim: monthly reporting contains the list of delegation requests. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bernie: will discuss with Kim where PTI escalation procedure could apply through the table. Does the Board approve a transfer?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Kim: yes, the board “approves”. Same process, with some additions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">=> transfer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">No questions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bart: consent is important in case of a transfer. There are some conditions. How do you deal with duresse, after the facts? Is there something fishy? Stress test.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bernie: good point. The appeal that a transfer was consented.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: .ng was transferred from a dead person to a dead purson</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bernie: issue with the delegation process, not with the appeals. Interesting case for a stress test</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">=> retirement</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Kim: preference not to involve the board. Prior to the act of removing it from the root zone, have some sort of board review and consideration by the Board</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">=> revocation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bernie: Assumes those will also go to the board?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Kim: yes. Consistent with past practice.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bernie: we list all these mechanisms, because we need to talk about totalling. Timeframe before anything happens to appeal a decision. Someone who wishes to appeal should not be penalised by the 30 days, because
they are using one of the other options</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: prescription is what it is called in Namibia. Interrupt the 30 days when there is another mechanism in use</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bernie: IDN string</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">16 December – 05:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">06 January – 13:00 UTC </span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">|
</span><span style="color:black">Suggestion to defer to a week later. Start the second week. Then continue the bi-weekly rotation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">13 January – 13:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">27 January – 21:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Thank you all</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Joke Braeken<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">joke.braeken@icann.org<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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