<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>Thank you very much for the usefull materials provided</div><div>As I see it, this is no more than an inventory and tghus should not go Under a piecemeal approach</div><div>We should look at the other outputs from other groups and take all these inventory and rearrange the whole things</div><div>The current situation stemmed from the strong link with NTIA .Once (if and only if,) the transition occurrshe whole thing would change.tHE CONCEPT IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT AND BY SUCH A CUT AND PASTE it would not work at all</div><div>See some comments as attached </div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-12-24 0:09 GMT+01:00 Samantha Eisner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org" target="_blank">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Dear Kavouss, </div>
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<div>The document is on the WG1 draft page at: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Work+Area+1+-+Draft+Documents" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Work+Area+1+-+Draft+Documents</a></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, December 23, 2014 at 2:51 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Roelof Meijer <<a href="mailto:Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl" target="_blank">Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>, Samantha Eisner <<a href="mailto:samantha.eisner@icann.org" target="_blank">samantha.eisner@icann.org</a>>, "David W. Maher" <<a href="mailto:dmaher@pir.org" target="_blank">dmaher@pir.org</a>>,
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<div>Dear Samantha</div>
<div>Tks for information.</div>
<div>I could not find your doc. on the wiki WG1</div>
<div>May you pls either direct me to the area that I could find that last doc. or send me the doc.</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-12-23 15:19 GMT+01:00 Roelof Meijer <span dir="ltr">
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Dear all,<br>
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As discussed, I suggest the table to be expanded with at least one column<br>
„final say” or „stops the buck” or something, that states where the final<br>
decision lies.<br>
I bet that in most cases we will find that this is the ICANN Board. Which<br>
is not a flaw in the system, but -as I am sure you are all aware- just the<br>
logic result of the present (common) governance structure of the<br>
corporation, whereby board members have a fiduciary duty and ultimately<br>
(only) serve the best interests of the corporation.<br>
<br>
As long as the best interests of ICANN the corporation and the „public<br>
interest” are aligned (or are so in the opinion of the board) all is<br>
probably well. If they are not, if the are not in the opinion of the<br>
board, or if the board misinterprets the public interests and/or the<br>
corporations interests, problems arise.<br>
<br>
It surely has not always been the case, but in my opinion the board and<br>
CEO have done pretty well over the last years in finding the right balance<br>
(or alignment) between corporate and public/community interests.<br>
No guarantee that that will remain the case indefinitely however,<br>
especially if there’s no longer the NTIA/USG to subtly threaten with<br>
corrective measures...<br>
<br>
As far as I understand it, we mean by „enhanced accountability” that<br>
ultimately, when the *stuff* hits the fan, the public interest will be<br>
the decisive interest and NOT the corporation's.<br>
<br>
I do not think that can be demanded from the board.<br>
I agree that we should consider multiple solutions to this challenge.<br>
One of which might be assigning the task and the authority required for<br>
it, to an external or semi-external structure, through the bylaws of that<br>
corporation. In such a situation, the members of that structure should<br>
obviously not be appointed by (the board of) the corporation. But by those<br>
representing the public interest.<br>
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On 23-12-14 06:18, "Mathieu Weill" <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>> wrote:<br>
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>Thanks Samantha,<br>
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>Just adding a link to the resource for everyone to access easily :<br>
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>Mathieu<br>
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>Le 23/12/2014 02:57, Samantha Eisner a écrit :<br>
>> Hi -<br>
>><br>
>> I’ve done a first attempt (which is by no means comprehensive) of our<br>
>> assigned task and uploaded to the wiki. I think we’d benefit from<br>
>>seeing<br>
>> what other detail we’d like in there, so I put this out to start the<br>
>> conversation.<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>><br>
>> Sam<br>
>><br>
>> On 12/16/14, 1:43 PM, "David W. Maher" <<a href="mailto:dmaher@pir.org" target="_blank">dmaher@pir.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> I agree<br>
>>> David<br>
>>> David W. Maher<br>
>>> Senior Vice President – Law & Policy<br>
>>> Public Interest Registry<br>
>>> <a href="tel:312%20375%204849" target="_blank" value="+13123754849">312 375 4849</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 12/16/14 2:04 PM, "Mathieu Weill" <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Samantha, Colleagues,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> That is indeed what I understand from the discussion. You could also<br>
>>>>add<br>
>>>> a 3) is it review, redress or check & balance (see Netmundial<br>
>>>>definition<br>
>>>> of Accountability).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Best<br>
>>>> Mathieu<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Le 16/12/2014 13:04, Samantha Eisner a écrit :<br>
>>>>> Colleagues,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Listening to the discussion, I propose think that one of the new<br>
>>>>> refined<br>
>>>>> tasks that we could undertake would be, for each mechanism that we’ve<br>
>>>>> identified on the inventory, first try to answer the questions of:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> 1) To whom does this mechanism seek to make ICANN accountable; and<br>
>>>>> 2) For what<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> This could be a starting point for parsing through the next wave of<br>
>>>>> issues<br>
>>>>> that we are agreeing to take on.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Best,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Sam<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On 12/15/14, 9:23 AM, "David W. Maher" <<a href="mailto:dmaher@pir.org" target="_blank">dmaher@pir.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thanks, Samantha.<br>
>>>>>> On the subject of contractual sources of accountability, it should<br>
>>>>>>be<br>
>>>>>> noted that the proposed withdrawal of NTIA from IANA functions will<br>
>>>>>> remove<br>
>>>>>> NTIA as a source of accountability enforcement.<br>
>>>>>> I propose that the Sub Group look for other contractual sources and<br>
>>>>>>at<br>
>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>> same time explore the possibility of broadening the scope of<br>
>>>>>> accountability enforceable by contract.<br>
>>>>>> For example, the registries and registrars could enter into<br>
>>>>>>contracts<br>
>>>>>> with<br>
>>>>>> ICANN covering the IANA functions in addition to the following:<br>
>>>>>> 1. ICANN could agree by binding contract not to impose rules on<br>
>>>>>>third<br>
>>>>>> parties (by means of policies, accreditation standards, or required<br>
>>>>>> contract terms) that are not supported by a demonstrated consensus<br>
>>>>>> among<br>
>>>>>> affected parties.<br>
>>>>>> 2. ICANN could agree by binding contract not to impose rules on<br>
>>>>>>third<br>
>>>>>> parties (by means of policies, accreditation standards, or required<br>
>>>>>> contract terms) that do not relate to issues the uniform resolution<br>
>>>>>>of<br>
>>>>>> which is necessary to assure sound operation of the domain name<br>
>>>>>> system.<br>
>>>>>> 3. ICANN could agree by binding contract not to impose rules on<br>
>>>>>>third<br>
>>>>>> parties (by means of policies, accreditation standards, or required<br>
>>>>>> contract terms) that relate to online content or to online behavior<br>
>>>>>> that<br>
>>>>>> does not threaten the sound operation of the domain name system?<br>
>>>>>> 4. ICANN could agree that any claim that it has not complied with<br>
>>>>>>the<br>
>>>>>> previous three obligations may be brought by any adversely affected<br>
>>>>>> party<br>
>>>>>> before an independent review panel that can issue decisions that are<br>
>>>>>> binding on ICANN.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> David<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> David W. Maher<br>
>>>>>> Senior Vice President Law & Policy<br>
>>>>>> Public Interest Registry<br>
>>>>>> <a href="tel:312%20375%204849" target="_blank" value="+13123754849">312 375 4849</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 12/15/14 9:30 AM, "Samantha Eisner" <<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org" target="_blank">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>><br>
>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Hi all -<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I posted a new version of the document on the wiki page in clean<br>
>>>>>>>and<br>
>>>>>>> redline form. The proposed changes include:<br>
>>>>>>> 1. To address Malcolm Hutty¹s edit regarding contractual sources of<br>
>>>>>>> accountability, I made a ³contract² heading and also listed<br>
>>>>>>>Registry<br>
>>>>>>> and<br>
>>>>>>> Registrar Contracts under there.<br>
>>>>>>> 2. To address David¹s inclusion of SSAC recommendations as a source<br>
>>>>>>> of<br>
>>>>>>> accountability, I incorporated a heading under Bylaws that<br>
>>>>>>>accounted<br>
>>>>>>> for<br>
>>>>>>> Advisory Committee inputs. (Note that action is pending on ATRT2<br>
>>>>>>> recommendations regarding ICANN¹s obligations on considerate of<br>
>>>>>>> advice<br>
>>>>>> >from ACs other than the GAC). Because identifying accountability<br>
>>>>>>in<br>
>>>>>>> terms<br>
>>>>>>> of advice did not then seem complete without reference to the<br>
>>>>>>>policy<br>
>>>>>>> recommendations upon which that advice is often given, I referenced<br>
>>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>>> policy development/Board consideration of policy recommendations<br>
>>>>>>>for<br>
>>>>>>> each<br>
>>>>>>> of the SOs.<br>
>>>>>>> 3. Inserted summary listings of all ATRT recommendations (1 and 2)<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> In terms of background documentation, I modified the page to make a<br>
>>>>>>> clear<br>
>>>>>>> delineation between the background info and the drafting work<br>
>>>>>>> ongoing.<br>
>>>>>>> In<br>
>>>>>>> line with David¹s concern and Bruce¹s suggestion, I excerpted the<br>
>>>>>>> presentation I previously circulated, and posted only the part that<br>
>>>>>>> deals<br>
>>>>>>> with the inventory effort, so as not to bring all the questions in<br>
>>>>>>>at<br>
>>>>>>> this<br>
>>>>>>> stage.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I also included an excerpt to the inventory effort undertaken by<br>
>>>>>>> ICANN in<br>
>>>>>>> advance of the first postings on Enhancing ICANN Accountability.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Please let me know if you have any questions.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Sam<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On 12/13/14, 4:01 PM, "Bruce Tonkin"<br>
>>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>><br>
>>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Hello Samantha,<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Is it possible to split this presentation from London into its two<br>
>>>>>>>> components?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> The first few slides list some of the accountability mechanisms<br>
>>>>>>>> available<br>
>>>>>>>> within the ICANN structure. The ATRT2 review identified some<br>
>>>>>>>> improvements to make to these mechanisms.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> The slides from 11-28 are a general presentation about<br>
>>>>>>>> accountability<br>
>>>>>>> >from Professor Jan Aart Scholte, School of Global Studies,<br>
>>>>>>> .University<br>
>>>>>>>> of<br>
>>>>>>>> Gothenburg.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> He lists 9 framing questions to consider when looking at<br>
>>>>>>>> accountability<br>
>>>>>>>> mechanisms:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> (1) What is accountability?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - processes whereby an actor answers to other actors for the<br>
>>>>>>>> impacts on<br>
>>>>>>>> them of its actions and omissions<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> (2) with what components?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - transparency<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - consultation<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - monitoring and evaluation<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - correction and redress<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> (3) for what purpose?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - financial review; 'the accounts'<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - performance measurement<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - democratic participation/control<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - moral probity; ecological integrity; peace; etc.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> (4) Accountability by whom?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - challenge of pinning down and specifying impact in the context<br>
>>>>>>>>of<br>
>>>>>>>> complex polycentric governance<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> (5) for what?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - actual formal mandate<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - desired mandate (content? spam? digital access?)<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> (6) to whom?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - 'the public' of significantly affected people (but<br>
>>>>>>>>metaphysical,<br>
>>>>>>>> ecological?)<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - 'the public' not unitary, as different people are differently<br>
>>>>>>>> affected<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - constituencies (divisions within and overlaps between)<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> (7) for whom?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - myth of a universal 'global community' with same interests and<br>
>>>>>>>> equal<br>
>>>>>>>> power<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - skewed accountability on lines of age, caste, class,<br>
>>>>>>>> (dis)ability,<br>
>>>>>>>> faith, gender, geography, language, nationality, race, sexuality<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> (8) via what channels?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - hegemonic veto<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - intergovernmental multilateralism<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - (global) political parties and parliaments<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - multi-stakeholder arrangements<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - civil society deliberation and mobilization<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - judiciary (court, inspection panel, evaluation exercises,<br>
>>>>>>>> ombudsman)<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - mass media<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> (9) how accountably?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - 'When you point a finger, you need to do it with a clean hand'<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - transparency, consultation, monitoring and redress of those<br>
>>>>>>>>who<br>
>>>>>>>> (claim to) speak for affected publics<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Regards,<br>
>>>>>>>> Bruce Tonkin<br>
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