<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Jordan,</div><div>Thank you very much for your kind reply.</div><div>First of all there a clear contradiction in what you described with which I fully agree and the reply you did provide in the last WPè1 call in saying " Kavous , there is n voting in the petition stage " Now you confirmed what is described Under petition general introduction the each So or AC that launches a petition first must agree on the petition by simple majority .That is VOTING what you did not agree at the last CALL</div><div>sECOND ,THERE IS INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN VARIOUS PARTS OF CHATER 7 ( 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 7.4 ) WITH THAT REFERRED TO IN 368.</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-10-12 1:51 GMT+02:00 Jordan Carter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">hi Kavouss, all:<div><br></div><div>Let me try and be clear - I don't think there is a contradiction here, but let's see what you think.</div><div><br></div><div>The petition step is an SO or AC choosing to trigger the use of a power. If the petition happens, then there is the community discussion in the Forum, and then the right for everyone to vote (or express a consensus view, if we change to that) on whether the power is used.</div><div><br></div><div>There has to be some way to "start the process". The petition step is the start. </div><div><br></div><div>To create a petition, an SO or AC would have to decide to do it. That's the voting you quote - the "simple majority" - the idea was each SO or AC follows its usual process, not a supermajority one.</div><div><br></div><div>Once the SO or AC decides and if it decides to do the petition, then the petition is lodged and the whole SO/AC community is told "A petition has been received from ____ SO, and so the question of using the community power is now asked."</div><div><br></div><div>Then the discussion phase.</div><div><br></div><div>After that, the decision phase, when all the participating SOs or ACs decide whether or not the power should be used. That could be voting, or the new community consensus approach we are discussing.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I don't see any contradiction here. What do you think, Kavouss, all?</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>Jordan</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 October 2015 at 03:21, Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">Dear Co-Chairs </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">As I did mention at several occasions there number of inconsistencies
between various part of the second Draft Proposals some of which I raised and
some others I did ask to be checked by the authors of these parts.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">One of these inconsistencies are the petition process,</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">368 stipulate that</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">Quote</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">"<i>To trigger community consideration for the use of a community
power, an SO or AC has to agree by a resolution of its governing Body that the
power should be used - the threshold to agree the resolution is a simple
majority" </i>( means voting ,emphasis is added ) </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">Unquote</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">At the last WP1 I raised the same question, but Jordan replied that </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">At the level of potion no voting is required ? </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">What is wrong and what is right?</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">Is the statement in paragraph 368 as quoted above is correct? Or if the
explanation by Jordan is correct?<br>
Moreover sub-section 7.3 and 7.4 do not make any clear reference in which the
petition is carried out whereas sun-section 7.3 and 7.4 referred to that process.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">In addition to that , in regard with Fundamental Bylaws the situation is
not clearly mention in regard with initiation of petition in each SO and or AC?</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">Consequently, there is a need to closely look at the issue and other
inconsistencies which may exist,</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">Regards</span></p><span><font color="#888888"><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:8pt">Kavouss </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
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