<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Here is a POV</div><div>There are 7 billion people in the world your decision impact</div><div><br></div><div>I think there are 130 of us in the group?</div><div><br></div><div>Carrie</div><div><a href="http://Www.centerforcopyrightintegrity.com">Www.centerforcopyrightintegrity.com</a> </div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jan 2, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Avri,</div><div>Dear All.<font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Thank you very much for your comments</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I have one question which continued to bother me as everyone refers to «community"</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">What is that magic term "community» covers?</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Does it includes or embrace the entire multistakeholders?</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">As it was discussed at several occasion, there is a defacto agreement
that ,generally speaking multistakeholder composed of</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Civil Society</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Private Sector,</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Technical Community including academics</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Governments </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">In your views and the views other those who repeatedly refer to
"Community" do they mean; Global Multistakeholer" as described
above.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">If that is the case how the " community" fits in
that overall description.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">When there are comments received from «community" have we checked
whether all four categories of multistakeholder have commented?</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Do we treat the comments with equal footing. I know that your are
defending the equal rights of the constituency</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">In CSTD you
defended that equality of rights for more than 2 hours and finally succeeded to
win</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">How we decide
whether comments from a limited number of people ( mostly those who comments on
everything are representing which of those four categories of community</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">How we have
taken into account whether the number of comments is representative of the
entire multistakeholder .</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I give you an
example, for the issue of ICANN accountability at one point of time ICANN
mentioned based on 17 comments it modified the approach previously submitted.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Did we
checked whether all four categories of Multistakeholder commented ?</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Have we
checked whether any Government commented or as they are frustrated they did
not?<br>
What footing criteria were used to conclude on the representativeness of the comments?</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Did we
consider comment made on behalf on a big community with equal footing with
comments received from an individual who spoke on behalf of herself or himself?</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">We need to be
careful when we refer to the term “ community”</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Until the
time that the constituents of Global Multistakeholder Community is not clearly
specified and their footing are not agreed ,it is difficult to associate any
serious value to the comment received from a limited number of permanent
commenting people which may not representing the community as such.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt"><span> Best Regards</span></span></p><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt"><span>Your friend</span></span></p><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt"><span>Kavouss </span><span> </span></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"> </font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-02 16:42 GMT+01:00 Paul Rosenzweig <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" link="blue"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Dear Kavouss<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I reply to you privately simply because I think we have pretty much exhausted our friends on the listserve. I found your answer fascinating. And I think, in the end, the difference lies in the perspectives of our different worlds. Where I work (here in Washington DC) if I am going to have a fight with someone, it is often beneficial to create a public perception that I am being reasonable and the other fellow is the one who is being unreasonable – and having the Board say “no” to my question would help me in that regard. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Best wishes<u></u><u></u></span></p><span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Paul<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(192,0,0);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">**NOTE: OUR NEW ADDRESS -- EFFECTIVE 12/15/14 ***<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">509 C St. NE<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Washington, DC 20002<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Paul Rosenzweig<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</span></a> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">O: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20547-0660" target="_blank" value="+12025470660">+1 (202) 547-0660</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">M: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20329-9650" target="_blank" value="+12023299650">+1 (202) 329-9650</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Skype: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20738-1739" target="_blank" value="+12027381739">+1 (202) 738-1739</a> or paul.rosenzweig1066<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=9" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">Link to my PGP Key</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></span><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> Kavouss Arasteh [mailto:<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 2, 2015 9:10 AM</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>To:</b> Paul Rosenzweig<br><b>Cc:</b> Seun Ojedeji; <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-Accountability] Regarding how bylaw changes are made<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear Paul,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear All</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I am coming back to reply to your kind responses on which we have major agreement on the substance but different views on the approaches.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Let me just clarify my points that I raised many times and no answer was give.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Currently, there is constitutional and legal mechanism for ICANN accountability </span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On the other hand, there are some sort of optional accountability ( in form of ATRT Recommendations and comments received from a limited number of people ( Public Comments ) </span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">However, there is no mechanism at all to verify whether the responsibilities entrusted to the Board have been properly held or implemented.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Moreover, there are not any constitutional (legally adopted) by stakeholder accountability terms and conditions.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We have bylaws crafted by board and under the Board authority to modify and or update</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In my view having more than 40 years of constitutional experience the Board is no more than an executive entity </span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">What they execute is AoC and Bylaws .The first one is designed to meet the NTIA requirement .The second one is a quasi-unilateral provisions crafted by Board and commented by a limited number of people ( public ) without knowing that whether or not that limited number of people commented represents the entire multistakeholders ( Civil Society, Private Sector, Technical Community including Academics and last but not leased Governments ) </span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">There is no separation of authority between those who establish policy/ Multistakeholders or their legally designated or elected representatives with appropriate footing and those who implement policies ( ICANN) and in particular the policy itself ( modified version of AoC plus modified Bylaws ) Every thing is mixed.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Currently ICANN is at least is responsible to NTIA for certain actions and responsible to UNKNOWN Public for certain other actions .Once the transition is done the entire responsibilities goes to that UNKNOWN Public without having any authority to scrutinize actions implemented and no authority to sanction those who did not implement the established policy</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Now CCWG is making every effort to clarify the situation .We are at the beginning of the process. In my view, that takes many months if not many years to do so .</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Now you and those supporting your approach consider that we need to ask the Board in an upfront approach what they believe implementable and what believe Un/ Non implementable </span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Allow me dear Paul to describe the scenarios.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We would wish to ask an entity whether or not that entity agrees that we a) limit its authority) designating or establishing a mechanism for overnighting their action and c) implement sanctions if they have not or will not perform their duties as prescribed by the Policy Terms and condition </span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Now I am asking this simple question </span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Do you know any one or any entity wants that a) ,b) and C) individually and or/ collectively be implemented in her or his regard?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In this world that we are living no one wants to be limited in authority nor being held more responsible than she or he is currently responsible and more importantly no one which is not under any sanctioning rules to be under that rules</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If the answer is yes, then we should not raise any question to them at all.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Moreover, does the legislating authority ask the executing authority which kind of authority sphere or responsibility domain it wishes to perform its function?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The answer is no</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The legislator establishes the laws and rules and the executing entity MUST implement that Law or Rule.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">However, in devising those laws and Rules there is continuing dialogues between the two CCWG and ICANN Board.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In summary, in view of the above, we should not raise any such questions to the Board but continue to exchange views between the Board and CCWG ,as appropriate </span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Kavouss </span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">2015-01-02 9:52 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-right:0in;margin-left:4.8pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Paul,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you very much in deed to kindly answering my question.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yes it helps ( your clarification) .<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I will revert to you in few hours<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks again for your kind answer and analysis<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Kavouss<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br><br>Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br>On 2 Jan 2015, at 00:08, Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Dear Kavouss</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Thank you for this question which is a very sensible one. Let me try to clarify what I am trying to accomplish by my proposal.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I am a complete and firm support of Board accountability to the Community. That is 100% clear and I think you and I are in firm agreement on that.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I may, however, not be clear about my method and process. From my perspective the strongest accountability would be with a clear Bylaw limitation on ICANN functionality and a provision for an outside arbiter. Both of those changes would require Board approval. I am not trying to subordinate the CCWG to the Board. Far from it – what I am trying to do is find out as early in the process whether the Board is going to be willing to agree to subordinate itself to the Community through those mechanisms. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">So, I think the place where you may misunderstand me is at the very end of your note – where you say “why you want to limit CCWG to just follow those areas of accountability that Board wishes?” I think you are assuming that if the Board said “no” to the questions I was asking that my reaction would be to say “oh … oh well. That is OK. If the Board won’t agree, we can’t do it.”</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">My real reaction, in practice, would be exactly the opposite – I would urge the Community to dig in for an extended discussion with the Board and use my limited powers of persuasion to rally the community to demand that the Board changed its mind. </span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Wingdings;font-size:11pt">J</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> And I would probably urge CCWG to recommend those same things anyway – but at least we would do that knowing what was going to happen.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Does that help?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Regards</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Paul</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(192,0,0);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">**NOTE: OUR NEW ADDRESS -- EFFECTIVE 12/15/14 ***</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">509 C St. NE</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Washington, DC 20002</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Paul Rosenzweig</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</span></a> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">O: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20547-0660" target="_blank">+1 (202) 547-0660</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">M: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20329-9650" target="_blank">+1 (202) 329-9650</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Skype: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20738-1739" target="_blank">+1 (202) 738-1739</a> or paul.rosenzweig1066</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=9" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">Link to my PGP Key</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> Kavouss Arasteh [<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 1, 2015 4:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Rosenzweig<br><b>Cc:</b> Seun Ojedeji; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-Accountability] Regarding how bylaw changes are made</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Paul,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The way you commenting on the matter could have two different interprétations or leave two different impressions:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">A) You are a firm supporter of accountabilty process when we note your comments about Mathieu<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">B) You wish to raise the question Under discussion to the Board asking what they wish to see from CCWG and what they do not see from CCWG .The latter interpretation ,in my view, seems to be subordinating CCWG to the Board in the sense that we just study, elaborate and recoomend those area of accountability that Board is comfortable with but not CCWG address the full picture, objectives, requiremnets of accountability.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Pls find a coherence between interpretation A) and interpretation B) .In order words if you are really in favour of addressing the accountability in a fullflege scope why you want to limit CCWG to just follow those areas of accountability that Board wishes?<br>Thank you very much to clarify your position.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best Regards<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Kavouss <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">2015-01-01 21:35 GMT+01:00 Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb(204,204,204);margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Bruce is a wonderful man. But we don’t need his opinion, we need a formal commitment from the Board. That’s why we need to ask the question in an official manner. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Indeed, I would posit that if the accountability working group tasked with ensuring accountability by ICANN is reluctant to even ask the Board a question then the communities capacity to actually reign in Board excess when/if it perceives such would be very limited. If we are so unwilling to even ask a question, will we be willing to tell the Board “no.”</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">In any event, if we choose not to ask this question, then the scope of WS1 has just expanded to essentially include almost all oversight mechanisms we might conceivably want – which would, I think, be the wrong result.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Warm regards</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Paul</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(192,0,0);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">**NOTE: OUR NEW ADDRESS -- EFFECTIVE 12/15/14 ***</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">509 C St. NE</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Washington, DC 20002</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Paul Rosenzweig</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a 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href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=9" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">Link to my PGP Key</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> Kavouss Arasteh [mailto:<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 1, 2015 10:09 AM<br><b>To:</b> Seun Ojedeji<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-Accountability] Regarding how bylaw changes are made</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear All <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I agree to the term that no one should dictate the CCWG.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Still why there is a need that we raise any such question to the Board,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> Bruce is quite active and requested to continue the Liaison<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Kavouss<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br><br>Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br>On 1 Jan 2015, at 15:28, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p>Hi Bruce,<u></u><u></u></p><p>Thanks for this information, I will then suggest that this WG determine if those steps will indeed be appropriate for us especially since WS1 is more of a perquisite to transition. One would expect some adjustments on timing and wording rights to be made in the process, also board voting rights in this particular process may need to be agreed upon. It will not be encouraging to have implementation stopped on the basis of no 2/3 board majority....time utilization is an important factor in all these. So the earlier we involve board (without having them dictate for us) the better.<u></u><u></u></p><p>Regards<br>sent from Google nexus 4<br>kindly excuse brevity and typos.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 1 Jan 2015 04:55, "Bruce Tonkin" <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb(204,204,204);margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Hello Seun,<br><br>>> I think writing to board to know how it will treat the WG outcome especially when some of it's implementations will require by-law modifications that further involve the ICANN community in decision making process may be useful.<br><br>In terms of the process for making bylaws changes, changes have previously been made to accommodate recommendations from the review teams associated with the work of the Accountability and Transparency Review Teams (ATRT) <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/atrt-2012-02-25-en" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/atrt-2012-02-25-en</a> .<br><br>Any archive of all previous versions of the bylaws is available here:<br><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/archive-bc-2012-02-25-en" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/archive-bc-2012-02-25-en</a><br><br>Based on our current practice I would expect the process to be as follows:<br><br>- Board accepts recommendations from the CCWG<br><br>- General Counsel's office prepares specific text to change in the bylaws<br><br>- proposed bylaws changes are put out for public comment (45 days)<br><br>- Board then votes on the bylaws amendments - a 2/3 majority of the Board is required to make a bylaw change<br><br>If there is significant community comments against the proposed bylaws language - then a new draft of the bylaws would be put out for public comment that is consistent with the recommendations from the CCWG.<br><br>Regards,<br>Bruce Tonkin<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div><p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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