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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The notes, recordings and transcripts for the CCWG ACCT Stress Test WP Meeting #6 - 27 May will be available here:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=53772513">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=53772513</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A copy of the notes and action items may be found below.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kim<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt">ACTION Items<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">Action: answer to Avri's question "What is special about being members or not members in our test." Seek an answer to this</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">Action: Steve to write up the scenario, and review on a future call.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">Action to re-write a stress test scenario to address the main issues in the thesis. To be sent to Chris and Paul to check issues have been captured. And this may take the group to test
28 (expansion of stress test 12).</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Notes<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Stress Test WP Meeting #6 - 27 May 2015<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This call is being recorded.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Links<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">ST-WP Drafts - <a href="http://tinyurl.com/mye8o3e">http://tinyurl.com/mye8o3e</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chat sessions are being archived and follow the ICANN Expected Standards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">of Behavior: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/expected-standards">http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/expected-standards</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">AGENDA:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">NOTES & ACTION ITEMS:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">These high-level notes are designed to help you navigate through content<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">of the call and do not substitute in any way the transcript.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Roll call as AC room<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Towards the end of the public comment phase. Tuesday's 26 May CCWG call,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">re-start the stress tests and consider the implications of the different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">members and UA models on the test scenarios.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Will powers be enforceable, and legal counsel seems to be advising that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">enforceability comes through California law. A common thread on the stress<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">tests: almost all have the words: block, veto, challenge, binding. Sends a<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">signal that the powers would be enforceable, not to rely on persuasion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If we look at the stress tests and remove blocking, veto, challenging,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">binding, do the tests still pass.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">When listening to the lawyers, also hear them saying we could take<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">eachother to court right now. So this is not a special new power. For<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">those who don't like courts, hear the answer that but that's the answer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">for the US.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If we created shadow UA, where there is the SO/AC chair or other as the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">person making decisions, what holds them accountable to the group that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">sent them? So unless the SO/AC are the UA, you are creating another legal<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">entity that is accountable to another non-legal entity.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Case of the At Large: the existing rules of procedure for the At Large<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">have clear rules for the removal of officers. Can be removed without cause<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">at any stage. This might need to be considered across the SO/AC.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Is a stress test needed: what if the designated member, the UA<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">representative, then what happens if they don't follow directions of their<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">community. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Should the stress test team look at the role of each SO/AC to see of they<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">means to remove there offices. Or produce a normative statement<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">recommending SO/AC action?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">See stress test 12.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But stress test group's task is not to produced such normative statements.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That's the task of the whole CCWG. Consideration of capture internal to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">the SO/AC. Might requrie fine tuning of stress test 12.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Text that when the representative is not heeding the wishes of their SO/AC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">membership, this should trigger recall of a representative<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">New stress test that describes the flaw, when creating the individual to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">represent the membership in the UA, when they are not listening/heeding<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">the membership, that recall and reappointment is appropriate.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">They should act as instructed or as agreed by their community.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">GNSO has five votes. And if one of the SG believes that the individual<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">holding the vote on their behalf is not acting, behaving ask directed by<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">that SG, then the SG would be able to remove that person.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">3 scenarios. An identity between the SO/AC. The other extreme is the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">chairs are designated as the members of the SO/AC. And fuzzy, when the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">SO/AC is not an UA or has a UA attached to it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">May 3rd legal memo: 4 stress tests in that document, but only relating to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">the UA. If a councillor refused to leave the stage, what would we do? May<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">quote from the memo in the new test. See<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52890082/REVISED%20Memo%20">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52890082/REVISED%20Memo%20</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">on%20Unincorporated%20Associations%20May%203%2C%202015-207411876-v4.pdf<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But, as the US can already take them to court. The end of every process,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">potentially. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What is special about being members or not members in our test?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Question of winning. Should have standing, and members have that. And<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">winning once there.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Action: answer to Avri's question "What is special about being members or<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">not members in our test." Seek an answer to this<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Stress test on budgets: power to veto: veto and block. we are talking of<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">an enforceable power. Without the power, we haven't improved<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">accountability. Have the ability to challenge through an IRP. And might<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">reverse the decision, but when reversed we expect it to be binding,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">enforceable. So see a weakening of the first bunch of stress tests without<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">enforceability.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">And to what degree is enforceability different for each member<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">arrangements?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">from ST-WP that the action of comparison of powers from CCWG call of 6 May<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">will be required.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Stress test 9. Corruption/fraud. Force the board. To veto or block a<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">budget tainted by fraud. If board members were involved then they should<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">be recalled. This requires enforceability.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Go to court, or vote someone out. These are basically two unacceptable<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">ways of achieving a goal. What membership adds, is not acceptable. Why the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">degree of enforceability rests in a court of law. But doesn't change the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">answer in a column 3 of the stress test.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For consideration by the lawyers/legal team:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">a comparison of enforceability among the different structures. A<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">comparision of enforceability. Standing and the likelihood to prevail<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chris Disspain suggested stress test (email displayed)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. A vote that directs the board to take an action. The ability to force<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">to board to do something seems to be part of the CCWG myth. The AoC review<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">teams recommend and action, the Board decides not to as it's outside the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">mission, the rejection of the Board action becomes a reversal of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Board's decision to do nothing. Rephrase 1.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. A disagreement about whether the issue was outside the scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">bylaws. Is it directing the board, or canceling the decision?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Action: Steve to write up the scenario, and review on a future call.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Is the court evaluation the authority of the community to make the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">changes, or is it testing the substance of the issue. The court affirms<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">the community's authority. i.e. ultimate authority is being handed to the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">members. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If an IRP evaluates a decision and revokes that decision, nothing has<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">changed. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Consideration of the email, analysis of it. Action to re-write a stress<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">test scenario to address the main issues in the thesis. To be sent to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chris and Paul to check issues have been captured. And this may take the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">group to test 28 (expansion of stress test 12).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">First 30 on of the next call to review the rest of the stress test. And<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">the remaining hour for the two new scenarios: Disspain email and the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">modification of the capture<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Invite Chirs and or Paul Szyndler, and Leon if legal input needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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