[Acct-Legal] Memorandum of Request for Legal Advice: Questions from Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva

Thu Apr 9 16:38:09 UTC 2015

Thank you Greg.  To the Chairs/Legal Sub-Team (apologies if procedurally we have misidentified an intended recipient):

If this proposal that is recommended below is adopted and instructed to us, does this mean that we should not be preparing for the ~60 minute presentation next week?  My thinking is that doing the presentation would actually be useful and would enable us to extend our thinking on some of the information we will share tomorrow, and would also synthesize and probably answer indirectly a number of the questions that have arisen.  I think it would be a better use of time for all concerned, versus taking the time to answer each of the specific questions asked by group members.  Again, we are not suggesting the questions be ignored, but that responses be woven into the more “holistic” reports as developed.  Additional specific questions can be addressed in the sub-groups throughout next week.

Does that make sense?

If so, to be clear, it would mean you would receive the following work product from Sidley and Adler over the next few days:

1.       Responses to the ~16 matrices plus cover memo.  This would be delivered Friday (US).

2.       Summary presentation and perhaps two models (designator and member) for addressing ICANN Accountability
We would defer any written work product deliverables specifically responding to the questions asked of the prior Sidley and Adler memos (S.Eisner, P.Silva, etc.), and reacting to the Arin memo.  Of course, specific questions and issues can still be addressed to the extent not covered in the course of preparing materials for Items 1 and 2 above.

Please let us know ASAP if you would like us to proceed in this manner, and if time will be reserved on the agenda on Tuesday.  We want to make sure we are prioritizing time appropriately.

Cheers,
Josh

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From: ccwg-accountability5-bounces at icann.org [mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 7:49 AM
To: Athina Fragkouli
Cc: ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Acct-Legal] Memorandum of Request for Legal Advice: Questions from Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva

I also support David's suggestion on process.  Holly is on a plane right now.  It would be good to be able to give her the green light on this suggestion when she lands in a couple of hours.  Please respond with agreement.  More importantly, pleeeeeease respond if you disagree.  At some point, silence must be taken as consent, in this instance.

Greg

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On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Athina Fragkouli <athina.fragkouli at ripe.net<mailto:athina.fragkouli at ripe.net>> wrote:
Hello,

Many thanks to Greg for following up with the questions.

I agree with David's approach and I support his suggestion.

Athina

On 09/04/15 14:34, McAuley, David wrote:
> Thank you Greg for passing questions along and ensuring that we keep
> track as they come in. I think Leon has already started work on a
> compilation of questions to lodge in a central place and this will help
> him in that effort when he returns.
>
>
>
> I write now to suggest that the legal sub-team give our outside counsel
> some prioritization to work and questions for the period from now
> through Monday, prior to the next CCWG call.
>
>
>
> My suggestion is that we ask them to now formulate an initial “holistic”
> advice to the CCWG (taking into account WPs focus as well) on what
> counsel suggest as the best way forward with respect to the entire
> series of Work Stream One topics. Perhaps, now that the ARIN memo is on
> the table, a balance between membership and designator models would be
> appropriate as well, comparing and contrasting them in the context of
> what we need to achieve for WS1.
>
>
>
> By now, Sidley and Adler have heard/seen enough to have an appreciation
> for what we are attempting to achieve vis-à-vis ICANN accountability and
> seem prepared to render at least initial advice for this critical stage
> as we work to get a draft proposal out April 21. Obviously the work will
> continue beyond that and the list of questions will be there for
> attention as appropriate.
>
>
>
> I think this is consistent with what Holly Gregory noted at the close of
> the WP1 call last evening (21:00 to 23:00 UTC). I believe she said they
> would look at the templates WP1 asked about and put a cover memo on it –
> think she was referring to a generalized “holistic” cover note.
>
>
>
> So I suggest that Holly, as the coordinating counsel between
> Sidley/Austin and Adler/Colvin, partition the work involved as she best
> determines to take account of required expertise and to maintain that
> duplicate efforts/costs are not incurred – and deliver an initial
> overall advice that would help the CCWG better, perhaps (IMO), than
> would a series of answers to a series of questions.
>
> I think this then will give us time as the sub-team to react and ask
> follow-ups and may be the best way to get in shape for CCWG work April
> 20-21.
>
>
>
> IMO, we still need to compile all the questions posed from us and the
> community so we do not lose sight of them for further work - and these
> questions may better help the firms understand where we are coming from
> as another insight into context.
>
>
>
> As one member of the team I cannot give direction, but hope the
> suggestion may help us.
>
>
>
> David McAuley
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>
>
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> [mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Greg Shatan
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2015 1:13 AM
> *To:* ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [Acct-Legal] Memorandum of Request for Legal Advice:
> Questions from Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva
>
>
>
>
> Counsel:
>
>
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> As discussed today on the Legal Sub Team call, this is a formal
> authorization to review and respond to the questions set forth below
> from  Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva.
>
>
>
> Please let the Legal Sub Team know if you have any questions.
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> Best regards,
>
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>
> Greg
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> Date: Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:44 AM
> Subject: Fwd: [CCWG-ACCT] Accountability questions to law firms
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> Legal Subteam and Counsel:
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> I am forwarding this email and the two following in this thread to the
> Legal Subteam for consideration as an assignment/instruction to counsel
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> Date: Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:41 AM
> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Accountability questions to law firms
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> Dear CCWG-colleagues,
>
>
>
> Please find below a group of questions to be posed to the law firms
> assisting the CCWG-Accountability.
>
>
>
> ·         Are there any restrictions in California law  or in applicable
> federal US-law with respect to government officials (US or foreign)
> becoming statutory members (or designators) of a non-profit
> organization? Would all liabilities applied to US or foreign citizens in
> a membership (or designator) structure  equally apply to a government
> official which has legal immunity and privileges in the United States?
>
>
>
> ·         What are the specific legal requirements for a third-party
> which may have approval or veto rights over board decisions and what are
> its liabilities?
>
>
>
> ·         A community veto  (be it exercised in a membership or a
> designator structure) over a bylaw change could be potentially reverted
> through a court decision in California? Same question applies to a
> decision made by an Independent Appeals Panel mechanism.
>
>
>
> ·         The fact that the "board bears ultimate responsibility for
> corporate decisions and must provide oversight of the exercise of those
> powers it has delegated" (Sidley Austin LLP, Initial Discussion Draft 1,
> p. 3) implies that the board may eventually revert a community veto
> (member or designator structure) over its own decision or over the
> budget it has originally approved?
>
>
>
> ·         Is the Californian Attorney General able to intervene in
> ICANN's operations upon the complaint of a government (US or other)? How
> does this situation relate to norms of international private law
> internalized by the United States?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Secretário
>
> Divisão da Sociedade da Informação (DI)
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> Ministério das Relações Exteriores - Brasil
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> Secretary Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva
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