[Acct-Legal] [CCWG-ACCT] community powers comparison: designator & membership model - what powers can we create and how to enforce them?

Tue Apr 14 19:50:24 UTC 2015

Yes,  That is correct Rosemary.  I sent the message below – Holly Gregory.

Have not yet heard if the Legal Sub Team would like us to take on reviewing and improving upon Robin’s chart but believe it would be a valuable project for the legal team to weigh in on.
HOLLY GREGORY
Partner

Sidley Austin LLP
+1.212.839.5853
holly.gregory at sidley.com<mailto:holly.gregory at sidley.com>

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I note that, due to some change in the way the addresses are listed, I can no longer tell the source email address, unless the information is contained in the body of the email, or in a signature block.  For example, I expect that someone from Sidley sent the email below, but I can’t be sure.  Is it possible to revert to the prior procedure, where the address of the source of an email was included in the “From” line?

Rosemary

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Subject: Re: [Acct-Legal] [CCWG-ACCT] community powers comparison: designator & membership model - what powers can we create and how to enforce them?

If the Legal Subteam tasks us we would be happy to further develop the chart that Robin has begun.   Please let us know as soon as possible -- and forward the chart.

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Subject: Re: [Acct-Legal] [CCWG-ACCT] community powers comparison: designator & membership model - what powers can we create and how to enforce them?
Robin,

Thank you for this.  A great deal of effort clearly went into this and this should develop into a very useful tool.  However, I think we will need to have this reviewed by legal counsel before we rely on it.  Having reviewed this briefly, I am uncertain that at this stage this document accurately captures the legal advice, particularly with regard to how the rights can be enforced.

Specifically, this seems to give the impression that, if the membership model were chosen, the members would be limited to running off to court in most cases should rights need to be enforced.  I'm fairly confident that is not the case.  I believe that the remedies listed for the designator model, particularly changes to the bylaws and the IRP, are equally available in the member model.  With regard to litigation, I think the distinction is that the designators have no ability to litigate on behalf of the corporation, while this is one possibility (but far from the only one) available to members.  In other words, such litigation is an extra power, not the only power, available to members.

The Legal Sub Team (copied here) should discuss how to proceed.

Thank you again for taking the laboring oar in pulling this together!

Best regards,

Greg

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
Hello Team,

What we need to do is take a hard look at both the membership model and the designator model and understand what rights can be created and how will they be enforced.  Once we understand what we *can* do, we need to look at the pros/cons of the different models and evaluate accordingly.

But first, we need to understand what *can* be done so we can discuss *if* we ought to do it and what is the best means.

So I've taken a first pass of each of the 6 community empowerment goals and created a comparison table to lay-out what rights can be created and how they can be enforced.  I've combed through all the 200+ pages of legal memos, today's CCWG call, and calls of the legal sub-team to compile this info into one table so the models can begin to be evaluated side-by-side.

The doc is attached and also here is a link to the table comparing the 2 models:
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I am hopeful it can begin to help us to wrap our minds around what our goals are and how they could be accomplished by the two models at play.

Thanks,
Robin

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