<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I support this approach and look forward to better understanding both the empowered designator model and a true membership model. <div><br></div><div>I expect we will end up with a tapestry of recommendations rather than a single mechanism that meets all of our needs, but sorting out the structural model question would be a big step forward.<div><br></div><div>Thanks much!</div><div>Robin</div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 9, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Edward Morris wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Hi Greg and David,<div><br></div><div>Thank you both for doing such great work. I fully support David's suggestion.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Ed</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Greg Shatan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I also support David's suggestion on process. Holly is on a plane right now. It would be good to be able to give her the green light on this suggestion when she lands in a couple of hours. Please respond with agreement. More importantly, pleeeeeease respond if you disagree. At some point, silence must be taken as consent, in this instance.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; "><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365d">Gregory S. Shatan </span></b><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#17365d">ï</span></b><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365d"> </span></b><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#c0504d">Abelman
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Athina Fragkouli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:athina.fragkouli@ripe.net" target="_blank">athina.fragkouli@ripe.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br>
<br>
Many thanks to Greg for following up with the questions.<br>
<br>
I agree with David's approach and I support his suggestion.<br>
<br>
Athina<br>
<div><div><br>
<br>
On 09/04/15 14:34, McAuley, David wrote:<br>
> Thank you Greg for passing questions along and ensuring that we keep<br>
> track as they come in. I think Leon has already started work on a<br>
> compilation of questions to lodge in a central place and this will help<br>
> him in that effort when he returns.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I write now to suggest that the legal sub-team give our outside counsel<br>
> some prioritization to work and questions for the period from now<br>
> through Monday, prior to the next CCWG call.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> My suggestion is that we ask them to now formulate an initial “holistic”<br>
> advice to the CCWG (taking into account WPs focus as well) on what<br>
> counsel suggest as the best way forward with respect to the entire<br>
> series of Work Stream One topics. Perhaps, now that the ARIN memo is on<br>
> the table, a balance between membership and designator models would be<br>
> appropriate as well, comparing and contrasting them in the context of<br>
> what we need to achieve for WS1.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> By now, Sidley and Adler have heard/seen enough to have an appreciation<br>
> for what we are attempting to achieve vis-à-vis ICANN accountability and<br>
> seem prepared to render at least initial advice for this critical stage<br>
> as we work to get a draft proposal out April 21. Obviously the work will<br>
> continue beyond that and the list of questions will be there for<br>
> attention as appropriate.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I think this is consistent with what Holly Gregory noted at the close of<br>
> the WP1 call last evening (21:00 to 23:00 UTC). I believe she said they<br>
> would look at the templates WP1 asked about and put a cover memo on it –<br>
> think she was referring to a generalized “holistic” cover note.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> So I suggest that Holly, as the coordinating counsel between<br>
> Sidley/Austin and Adler/Colvin, partition the work involved as she best<br>
> determines to take account of required expertise and to maintain that<br>
> duplicate efforts/costs are not incurred – and deliver an initial<br>
> overall advice that would help the CCWG better, perhaps (IMO), than<br>
> would a series of answers to a series of questions.<br>
><br>
> I think this then will give us time as the sub-team to react and ask<br>
> follow-ups and may be the best way to get in shape for CCWG work April<br>
> 20-21.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> IMO, we still need to compile all the questions posed from us and the<br>
> community so we do not lose sight of them for further work - and these<br>
> questions may better help the firms understand where we are coming from<br>
> as another insight into context.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> As one member of the team I cannot give direction, but hope the<br>
> suggestion may help us.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> David McAuley<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
</div></div>> *From:*<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
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> *To:* <a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a><br>
> *Subject:* [Acct-Legal] Memorandum of Request for Legal Advice:<br>
<span>> Questions from Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Counsel:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> As discussed today on the Legal Sub Team call, this is a formal<br>
> authorization to review and respond to the questions set forth below<br>
> from Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Please let the Legal Sub Team know if you have any questions.<br>
><br>
><br>
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> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>><br>
> Date: Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:44 AM<br>
> Subject: Fwd: [CCWG-ACCT] Accountability questions to law firms<br>
> To: "<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a><br>
</span><span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a>>" <<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a><br>
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> Legal Subteam and Counsel:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I am forwarding this email and the two following in this thread to the<br>
> Legal Subteam for consideration as an assignment/instruction to counsel<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Greg Shatan<br>
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</span><span>> From: *Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva* <<a href="mailto:pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br" target="_blank">pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br" target="_blank">pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br</a>>><br>
> Date: Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:41 AM<br>
> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Accountability questions to law firms<br>
> To: "<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
</span><div><div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>"<br>
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> Dear CCWG-colleagues,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Please find below a group of questions to be posed to the law firms<br>
> assisting the CCWG-Accountability.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> · Are there any restrictions in California law or in applicable<br>
> federal US-law with respect to government officials (US or foreign)<br>
> becoming statutory members (or designators) of a non-profit<br>
> organization? Would all liabilities applied to US or foreign citizens in<br>
> a membership (or designator) structure equally apply to a government<br>
> official which has legal immunity and privileges in the United States?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> · What are the specific legal requirements for a third-party<br>
> which may have approval or veto rights over board decisions and what are<br>
> its liabilities?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> · A community veto (be it exercised in a membership or a<br>
> designator structure) over a bylaw change could be potentially reverted<br>
> through a court decision in California? Same question applies to a<br>
> decision made by an Independent Appeals Panel mechanism.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> · The fact that the "board bears ultimate responsibility for<br>
> corporate decisions and must provide oversight of the exercise of those<br>
> powers it has delegated" (Sidley Austin LLP, Initial Discussion Draft 1,<br>
> p. 3) implies that the board may eventually revert a community veto<br>
> (member or designator structure) over its own decision or over the<br>
> budget it has originally approved?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> · Is the Californian Attorney General able to intervene in<br>
> ICANN's operations upon the complaint of a government (US or other)? How<br>
> does this situation relate to norms of international private law<br>
> internalized by the United States?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks in advance,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Secretário<br>
><br>
> Divisão da Sociedade da Informação (DI)<br>
><br>
> Ministério das Relações Exteriores - Brasil<br>
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><br>
><br>
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><br>
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