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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m new to converting from UTC, but I believe the deadline (0700 UTC) is in less than three hours. If that’s correct, then no, legal counsel cannot have our comments to Robin’s chart ready by then.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jordan Carter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ACCT-Staff; ccwg-accountability5@icann.org; Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Acct-Legal] [CCWG-ACCT] community powers comparison: designator & membership model - what powers can we create and how to enforce them?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the quick return Jordan.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Counsel, is Jordan’s message clear?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Your attendance would be needed on WP1 call <b>only</b> if the document is ready under the stated times.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Would this timeline be able to be met?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">El 15/04/2015, a las 22:10, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the lawyers are on track to finish adding their material / views to the table that Robin proposed and are ready to circulate that to me and everyone else by 0700 UTC on Thursday, then
<b>yes</b>, I would like to invite them to be the first item on the call, from 1900 to 1920 on the call on Thursday (UTC).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Otherwise, no counsel are required.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We won't deal with any material that can't reach the 12h deadline, unless it's like 11h or 10h. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So - please advise ASAP the timeline.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">IN terms of what we have to do on that call, introducing this material will be helpful, but we don't need to make decisions on it. That's why it is a 20 mins slot at the start of the call - we do have to finish the rest.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 16 April 2015 at 13:08, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Staff, if Jordan does confirm the need to invite the lawyers, could you please make sure they get the invitations with the call details?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">El 15/04/2015, a las 19:56, List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam <<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">TYLER</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">HILTON</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
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[<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 15, 2015 4:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a>; Jordan Carter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a>; Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Acct-Legal] [CCWG-ACCT] community powers comparison: designator & membership model - what powers can we create and how to enforce them?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Leon and Jordan, We should be able to have this ready within the next day or so and definitely prior to Friday's call. Kind regards, Holly. <br>
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Sent with Good (<a href="http://www.good.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">www.good.com</span></a>)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org</span></a> on
behalf of List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 15, 2015 12:32:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jordan Carter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</span></a>; Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Acct-Legal] [CCWG-ACCT] community powers comparison: designator & membership model - what powers can we create and how to enforce them?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Holly and Rosemary, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Would Jordan’s request be possible?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">El 15/04/2015, a las 0:26, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</span></a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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I know this is bold, but is there any chance a reviewed copy might be available for discussion in WP1 on Friday?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 15 April 2015 at 17:00, List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam <<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Holly and Rosemary, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please do review Robin’s table. I apologize for the delay on assignment and don’t expect you to have elaborated for our call tomorrow but rather give an initial review so we can further discuss in our call tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">El 14/04/2015, a las 16:42, List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam <<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</span></a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Happy to review with direction from Legal Subteam. Please provide direction ASAP. Holly<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 14, 2015 03:45:49 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Accountability Cross Community<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Thank you for this. A great deal of effort clearly went into this and this should develop into a very useful tool. However, I think we will need to have this reviewed by legal counsel before
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I'm fairly confident that is not the case. I believe that the remedies listed for the designator model, particularly changes to the bylaws and the IRP, are equally available in the member model. With regard to litigation, I think the distinction is that
the designators have no ability to litigate on behalf of the corporation, while this is one possibility (but far from the only one) available to members. In other words, such litigation is an extra power, not the only power, available to members.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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What we need to do is take a hard look at both the membership model and the designator model and understand what rights can be created and how will they be enforced. Once we understand what we *can* do, we need to look at the pros/cons of the different models
and evaluate accordingly.<br>
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But first, we need to understand what *can* be done so we can discuss *if* we ought to do it and what is the best means.<br>
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So I've taken a first pass of each of the 6 community empowerment goals and created a comparison table to lay-out what rights can be created and how they can be enforced. I've combed through all the 200+ pages of legal memos, today's CCWG call, and calls of
the legal sub-team to compile this info into one table so the models can begin to be evaluated side-by-side.<br>
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The doc is attached and also here is a link to the table comparing the 2 models:<br>
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I am hopeful it can begin to help us to wrap our minds around what our goals are and how they could be accomplished by the two models at play.<br>
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