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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear David, dear team members,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I had also wondered if and when to pass on the questions raised by Chris Disspain as they seem quite significant but also possibly time-consuming
to answer. Perhaps we can touch upon this issue during tomorrow’s call?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sabine<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 21. April 2015 14:10<br>
<b>An:</b> ccwg-accountability5@icann.org<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Acct-Legal] Draft answers to Apr 17 memo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi Greg,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">IMO, we should not yet refer the non-recognition question to the outside lawyers as they are focusing on other things now – we can place them in our questions-area
but for this week I think it best to focus on legal support for getting the draft proposal sufficiently in shape for public comment.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On the other subject, Chris’s questions, I agree that they ought to be addressed – and think Chris’s idea a good one that he is prepared to do – ask them on
today’s call and that will get the review started on those questions in time, it seems, for getting a sense of comprehensive answers by Friday.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org">ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org">mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 20, 2015 10:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Acct-Legal] Draft answers to Apr 17 memo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Robin,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Thanks for the clarifications. We should probably feed the "non-recognition" issue back to counsel for further enlightenment (although it is an equal issue for designators and
members, given counsels' advice that either should be U.A.'s to avoid enforceability issues).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:16 PM, List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam <<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">It was not a hypothesizing on #5, but rather information straight from our lawyers' memo. P. 7 of Sidley memo of 18 March:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">"The benefits of an unincorporated association are that there are fewer statutory requirements and they can be more informally operated. However, there are a number of disadvantages to structuring Contract Co. as an
unincorporated association, including the following: ... a number of non-US jurisdictions do not recognize the existence of an unincorporated association. As a result, these jurisdictions may look through the association and hold individual members of such
association liable."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So I'm simply raising this as a reason why some are concerned about forming as an unincorporated association, whether or not it is a realistic fear is another question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I'm ok with the language you proposed for #1. (our emails on this subject crossed in the mail).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">But I don't agree on #4 that a membership model would be preferable given the number of other criteria at issue and other ways or achieving the same goals. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Robin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Apr 20, 2015, at 4:15 PM, List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Robin,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I had real problems with the second sentence of 1. Voluntary compliance is not a form of enforceability, and the question asks about voluntary compliance as opposed to enforceability.
In any case, if you're not suggesting a further change, no need to discuss further.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">How would you change the answer to question #4? I'm not sure I understand your comment. I don't think we are seeking to change which budgets and plans go before the Board;
we're just seeking to change the community's role in dealing with a budget or plan the community doesn't like. As for the contractual option for approving, counsel did not sound very hopeful ("might be enforceable," "might be very complex"). In any case,
I don't think that changes the answer to question 4, which requires an answer to a postulate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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credibility check with our counsel. I am no cross-border litigator, but I would think that principles of comity (legal reciprocity among nations), among other things, would prevent or at least deter such a result. Of course, even if unincorporated associations
are disregarded, that is probably no worse than the current situation where SOACs have no legal status whatsoever (unless one believes that ICANN is protecting all of us from litigation). Does the Legal Sub Team want to assign these questions to counsel?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I liked the second sentence answer to 1a as originally drafted. My only quibble is with the answer supplied to question 4. It seems we have options about what budgets or plans can get *before* the board for the ultimate
vote and we have options about contractual enforcement under the designator model that need further exploration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As for the answer to 5, I think anytime a new entity is created that people are participating in and that make decisions for which money is on the table, there is always going to be the concern for lawsuits. If another
country does not recognize unincorporated associations, for example, the individuals participating in those associations might instead be the target for whatever lawsuit gets filed about their decision/action (possibly in another jurisdiction). While California
law is a main concern, we need to recognize that other parts of the world may not share the protections in their legal code and so would try to reach right through the California association.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Robin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Apr 20, 2015, at 1:33 PM, List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I suggest that the answers have a general lead-in sentence along these lines: We are submitting answers as requested but expect that further discussions in CCWG
calls as well as work party and legal sub-team calls may further develop community concerns along these lines.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">With respect to the answer to 1.a) – I would stop after you’re the first sentence. I am concerned in the second sentence with the phrase “Whether this enforceability
is voluntary compliance …” and think it best just to stop after first sentence. Voluntary compliance would not be an acceptable norm, in my opinion.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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IRP decision as noted in the example in the question.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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States, and they (as well as many participants in the United States) are concerned with the reputation of the Unites States for unduly high levels of litigation. Our interest is in assuring participants that they will have the best protection from exposure
to litigation in this regard, and nothing less than the community members have had to date. </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 20, 2015 12:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Acct-Legal] Draft answers to Apr 17 memo</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I am attaching a very brief draft reply to the questions raised to us by the lawyers in their April 17 memo regarding the comparison chart on corporate models.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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