<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Counsel,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Given the discussion we’re holding. I please ask you to put this assignment on hold until the legal sub-team comes to a conclusion.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">El 11/05/2015, a las 22:29, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> escribió:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Ed,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This was a comment in the Public Comment forum. Mr. Hill (who happens to be resident in Switzerland, I believe) doesn't need an SOI. I believe Mr. Hill made several rather lengthy and somewhat tendentious submissions to the ICG and possibly to the other communities, in a somewhat similar vein. You might be amused by them.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Edward Morris <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net" target="_blank" class="">egmorris1@toast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">Thanks Josh for your response.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I once again want to reiterate my opposition to any further inquiry of this sort that focuses exclusively on Switzerland. I think it is absolutely ridiculous at this stage to open up the question of jurisdiction, but if we are going to do so I request that Delaware, Ireland, Estonia and Iceland all be examined under the same terms as Switzerland.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The post by Mr. Hill which prompted this inquiry did talk about ICANN's incorporation, not just that of SO/AC's. It was also very prejudiced in that:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><pre style="" class="">Quite apart from that, ICANN should not be incorporated in the USA, or in any other powerful
state that might be tempted to interfere with ICANN for political or
economic reasons. It should be incorporated in a neutral state that is
unlikely to interfere, for example Switzerland.</pre></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">it explicitly rejects jurisdiction in the United States on grounds that a "powerful state" may be more tempted to interfere with ICANN for "political or economic reasons". It is my view that: 1. the United States has generally been a good steward of the internet, and 2. history is replete with examples of less powerful neutral states acting in their own self interest. Switzerland included. I'd prefer that a change in jurisdiction be based upon fact rather than upon a speculative theoretical assumption. I also sense this is neither the time or place for this discussion. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'm sorry for being a bit of a pain on this but it's a matter of principle. I'm opposed to opening up jurisdiction at this point for a number of reasons that most of us are familiar with. However, if we are going to do so equity and simple competence in fulfilling our duties oblige us to look at more options than a single mountainous country in central Europe. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On another related matter: I have been unable to locate Mr. Hill's SOI. If somebody would be so kind as to direct me to it I would be appreciative. I'm sure it is my oversight.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ed</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><div class="h5">On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:22 AM, Hofheimer, Joshua T. <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:jhofheimer@sidley.com" target="_blank" class="">jhofheimer@sidley.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class="h5">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">Leon and CCWG Colleagues,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">Thank you for the note and request. If you recall, Sidley previously looked briefly at Swiss non-profit law as part of our preliminary response to CCWG initial
questions. See the response to Question No. 3, and specifically pages 8-9 of our memo to you dated March 27, 2005, a copy of which is attached for your convenience.
<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">In the memo, we state that Swiss NGOs are typically established as nonprofit associations. Such associations have members, which must be organized in some
legally cognizable form. In addition, for Swiss International NGOs, the organization must have individual members of different nationalities or private entities governed by different national laws.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">Although the focus of our initial response was not directed primarily to the legal status of “members” in a Swiss nonprofit -- and what would be required to
make an SO or AC a “legally cognizable form” -- we suspect that we would have the same issue in Switzerland as we have in California.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">Of course, if you would like us to confirm with our colleagues in Switzerland what legal status is required of a “member” under Swiss law, we can ask that question.
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<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>León Felipe Sánchez Ambía<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Monday, May 11, 2015 3:16 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> <a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a><br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b> Steve DelBianco; Cheryl Langdon-Orr<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> [Acct-Legal] Fwd: Request for advice on Swiss law<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Resending this on behalf of Mathieu Weill.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"" class="">Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank" class="">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b class=""><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"" class="">Asunto: Re: Request for advice on Swiss law</span></b><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"" class="">León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank" class="">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>>,
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</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"" class="">Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de" target="_blank" class="">rickert@anwaelte.de</a>>, Steve DelBianco <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank" class="">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>, Cheryl Langdon-Orr <<a href="mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">langdonorr@gmail.com</a>>,
Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank" class="">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>>, "Burr, Becky" <<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank" class="">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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Dear Counsel and colleagues,<br class="">
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Maybe to focus the question a bit and avoid too large a research in a first step, the key assumption we would like to test is whether Swiss law would enable the SOs and ACs to act with all powers described in our report WITHOUT the need to establish a legal
entity associated with the SO or AC. <br class="">
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Thank you for your help<br class="">
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Mathieu<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Le 11/05/2015 23:42, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía a écrit :<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<pre style="margin-left:.5in" class="">In some countries (in particular in Switzerland), non-profit associations<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:.5in" class="">membership has full powers to amend the bylaws (called statues in<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:.5in" class="">Switzerland), elect and revoke the Board, approve and review the budget,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:.5in" class="">etc. See articles 60 ff. of the Swiss Civil Code at:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:.5in" class="">If we accept the principle that accountability is ensured by the members,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:.5in" class="">then I don't understand why the members of ICANN should not have full powers<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre>
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