[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] [Ext] Re: Proposed Agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting on 16 November at 14.00 UTC

Thu Nov 16 06:27:55 UTC 2017

My view exactly, Sylvia.

While I understand Seun’s viewpoint on avoiding putting a cart before the horse, in my opinion, our remit implies we study Orgnisastions' mode of operations and CSR funding interests before we can recommend selection criteria.

For example, we can add, in the World Bank, as they are doing extensive funding and have a very well developed approach:

So, perhaps, firstly a 3 page concept paper, then further well defined proposal with criteria, including a face to face, and monitoring and even assistance, if needed. 

I think discussions have been robust, I just wish, (collaborating Seun’s earlier comment), that we don’t get to have replicate of same exercises done again and again. Of course, I read Marika’s response to him, bit to be sure we have clarity.

Thanks a lot. 

Tola

> On 16 Nov 2017, at 06:55, Sylvia Cadena <sylvia at apnic.net> wrote:
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> That is correct Sean, but we are tasked to provide recommendations about how the selected mechanism will in fact do the work. So, it is not enough to say we want to use A, B or C but to provide recommendations or at least a list of issues the selected mechanism administrator will have to take into account. The way I see it is like coming up with a comprehensive list of Terms of Reference for the administrator of the mechanism (whatever that is) to define the whole framework.
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> From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, 16 November 2017 at 3:42 pm
> To: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] [Ext] Re: Proposed Agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting on 16 November at 14.00 UTC
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> Hello,
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> As I understand it, our job is mainly to recommend mechanisms to manage funds, we are not the ones to review applications, neither are we to approve funding. This is why I feel continuously interviewing funding/foundation organisation at this stage sounds to me like putting the chart before the horse.
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> I personally feel we need to agree on an overall mechanism to use first at a high level, it is at that time we can then look into how to make that mechanism work. I don't know what else we will want to hear from external foundations about the 4 options we currently have[1] on the table as I don't think they can choose one for us, we have to do that ourselves. However I believe they can contribute significantly to helping us flesh out the details that will make the option we choose work well.
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> Overall, I am open to us learning as much as possible, but I think we should not loose sight on what we need to do as a task. I will also like to request that the Chair let us know by mail whenever engagement of external experts is no longer voluntary.
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> Regards
> 1. Infact one may say external foundation organisation may be "somewhat" conflicted in that because one or 2 if the options apply to them. 
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> On Nov 15, 2017 3:44 PM, "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade at hotmail.com <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Marika,with apologies for delayed suggestions:
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> I tried to add in a couple of ideas of experts, and found I can't figure out how. 
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> I nominate Alliance for Affordable Internet [A4AI]; Mastercard Foundation; and IEEE Foundation for additional conversations.  I do note that we are not including yet some of the major funders, such as Microsoft, MasterCard Foundation, IBM, and perhaps a few more that I am not well aware of.
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> I know that I have only been a participant for the last 6 meetings, and regret that I missed some earlier discussions so apologize to be bringing in new thoughts at this late date. 
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> In my view, learning about how funds are dispersed, and evaluated should be our priority, not picking a particular model. So, I would 
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> we need not limit our learning. Also, we must not limit our learning to only those who are affiliated with some of us, and I say that gently, but sometimes the road ahead is illuminated by a new lamp. :-) 
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> From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org <mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 8:22 AM
> To: Seun Ojedeji
> Cc: ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org <mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] [Ext] Re: Proposed Agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting on 16 November at 14.00 UTC
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> Seun, the experts that have been identified by the CCWG to date can be found here:https://community.icann.org/x/DAnfAw <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.icann.org%2Fx%2FDAnfAw&data=02%7C01%7Cmarilynscade%40hotmail.com%7C276f224728b241b2ed5c08d52c2bee57%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636463489544503941&sdata=H65gTN6C1y8Fp%2BfHRU9zJYBy97ap504BGM781oo1FL4%3D&reserved=0>. This also includes an overview of the expertise present amongst CCWG members and participants.
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> With regards to next milestone, please review the updated timeline that was circulated with the agenda. This document also includes the approach for dealing with the charter questions that the CCWG is following.
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> The survey was intended to see whether a clear preference existed amongst the CCWG members and participants for a certain mechanism. However, as there does not seem to be a clear preference, the CCWG will need to start digging deeper in order to eventually make a determination about the preferred mechanism. This was the objective of the exercise in Abu Dhabi: identify overarching criteria that are expected to determine what mechanism is preferred as well as identify what further information is needed with regards to the different mechanisms to be able to value these criteria. For example, several commenters noted that cost is an important factor in determining which mechanism is preferable, but at this stage, the CCWG has very little insight into what the expected cost (e.g. set-up, running) of each mechanism may be. Experts, who have been involved in setting up similar mechanisms may be in a position to provide guidance to the CCWG in this regard. This is of course only one factor that has been identified as important.
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> If there are suggestions for how to move forward quicker on making this determination or other parts of the work that can be done in parallel (the leadership may have some suggestions during tomorrow’s meeting), these should be shared so that these can be part of the conversation concerning the work plan. I do note however that there are still some outstanding items from stage 2 that need to be completed and are awaiting CCWG input so moving faster will only be possible with the assistance of everyone involved.
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> From: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>>
> Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 02:39
> To: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>
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> Subject: [Ext] Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed Agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting on 16 November at 14.00 UTC
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> Hello Marika,
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> Please note a tentative apology. That said, could you remind me again who the experts are, are those ICANN staff if not are they paid category of people within this CCWG?
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> To the Chairs, I raised this during the face 2 face and I think I should ask again here; can we have an idea of what the next milestone of the group is supposed to be and in what timeline are we supposed to achieve that. 
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> I am saying this because I feel we are getting too bugged down with documentations that seems repeatitive to me. We earlier did a survey about the options, then we put that on pause and did the session at AbuDhabi which produced yet another documentation with new set of questions (which are similar to what was already answered through the previous survey)
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> On Nov 14, 2017 6:03 PM, "Marika Konings" <marika.konings at icann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>> wrote:
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> Please find below the proposed agenda for the next new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting which has been scheduled for Thursday 16 November at 14.00 UTC. Please make sure to review the documents attached, especially the document for item 4. You are encouraged to review the questions identified in this document for accuracy (do these accurately reflect the comments that were provided during the F2F meeting) as well as whether there are any questions missing.
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> Proposed Agenda – new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting on Thursday 16 November at 14.00 UTC
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> 1.      Roll Call
> 2.      Welcome / DOI – SOI Updates
> 3.      Completing stage 2:
> a.      Review of updated examples document (see attached)
> b.      Open and Interoperable Internet description (DT expected to circulate latest version prior to meeting)
> c.       Discuss next steps
> 4.      Stage 3 – review and refine questions for experts (see document attached)
> 5.      Review and discuss updated work plan (see attached)
> 6.      Confirm next steps and time/date for next meeting (Thursday 30 November at 14.00 UTC)
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