[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] lotsa money, was Fwd: Board reply to CCWG-AP
Daniel Dardailler
danield at w3.org
Wed Sep 6 12:06:57 UTC 2017
Thx.
On 2017-09-05 20:48, Marika Konings wrote:
> Daniel, you may be interested in the following letter that Akram
> Atallah sent to the RySG (see
> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/atallah-to-diaz-29aug17-en.pdf
> [1]) which includes the following paragraph that may answer your
> question:
>
> _“As you are aware, the 2012 round of the New gTLD Program is still
> underway, and a portion of the remaining funds are required for the
> ongoing operation of the program. As noted in _
>
> _ICANN’s FY18 Operating Plan and Budget, ICANN expects to have spent
> approximately $214 million on the Program, including
> “hard-to-predict” costs incurred in FY18 and in the future. To _
>
> _date, ICANN has spent Program funds on a range of previously
> unforeseen expenses including the formation and coordination of the
> Universal Acceptance Steering Group, Emergency Back_
>
> _- End Registry Operator Program operations, studies and mitigation
> plans relating to Name Collision, implementation of the Trademark
> Clearinghouse, support for the administration of ICANN Accountability
> Mechanisms, and legal fees and costs relating to the New gTLD Program.
> The remaining Program funds are intended to cover operating expenses
> and future _
>
> _unanticipated costs such as those listed above, which continue to
> occur on an ongoing basis. _
>
> _ _
>
> _We do not yet know how much of the New gTLD Program remaining funds
> will be required to address future unanticipated expenses, and by
> when. As such, at this time, ICANN is not in a _
>
> _position to commit to the dispensation of any potential remaining
> funds from the New gTLD Program applications fees.”_
>
> _ _
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> _ _
>
> On 9/5/17, 09:24, "ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
> Daniel Dardailler" <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org on behalf
> of danield at w3.org> wrote:
>
> On 2017-09-05 17:17, Erika Mann wrote:
>
> > Indeed, we don't even need to discuss this topic further.
>
> I agree it's out of scope.
>
> Can we just be pointed to the place where these application fees
> refund
>
> discussions are happening ? (e.g. in another ICANN group).
> Thanks.
>
> >
>
> > Erika
>
> >
>
> > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Jon Nevett <jon at donuts.email>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> Sean: No refunds from the auction proceeds were committed to
> or
>
> >> anticipated. Not sure where this idea is coming from. Jon
>
> >>
>
> >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Seun Ojedeji
> <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> +1 to that Alberto line of reasoning Alberto. Though it will be
> good
>
> >> to know if ICANN has indeed legally committed (as per contract)
> to
>
> >> provide some refunds from auction proceed.
>
> >>
>
> >> If that is the case i don't think its something within our
> scope to
>
> >> challenge we will just then need to clarify from ICANN how much
> is
>
> >> really available and accessible in the auction proceeds
> account.
>
> >>
>
> >> Regards
>
> >>
>
> >> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Alberto Soto
>
> >> <asoto at ibero-americano.org> wrote:
>
> >> do not know how the signed contract is. I do not know if the
> return
>
> >> is
>
> >> correct. Whoever buys a restaurant and does not get
> profitability
>
> >> does so at
>
> >> their own risk. Who buys a domain and does not obtain
> profitability,
>
> >> does so
>
> >> at their own risk. ICANN should not be the guarantee if no
>
> >> profitability is
>
> >> obtained.
>
> >>
>
> >> Regards
>
> >> Alberto
>
> >>
>
> >> -----Mensaje original-----
>
> >> De: ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org
>
> >> [mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org] En nombre de
> Daniel
>
> >> Dardailler
>
> >> Enviado el: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 6:56 AM
>
> >> Para: John R. Levine <johnl at iecc.com>
>
> >> CC: ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org
>
> >> Asunto: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] lotsa money, was Fwd: Board
> reply
>
> >> to
>
> >> CCWG-AP
>
> >>
>
> >> On 2017-09-04 23:48, John R. Levine wrote:
>
> >>>> Is the current financial position of ICANN really an
> impediment
>
> >> to
>
> >>>> what ICANN wants to do in support of its mission ? I was
> under
>
> >> the
>
> >>>> impression that ICANN's budget was healthy enough to
> implement
>
> >> its
>
> >>>> mission optimally today, with also a large untouched pot
> coming
>
> >> from
>
> >>>> the new gTLD application process (unused legal costs if I
>
> >> understand
>
> >>>> correctly).
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Not really. ICANN's operating budget is fully committed.
> There
>
> >> is
>
> >>> indeed a lot of unspent new gTLD application money, but it's a
>
>
> >> whole
>
> >>> separate can of worms. It's not ours to spend and since ICANN
>
>
> >> said
>
> >>> the price was set to cover their costs, the obvious and
> ethical
>
> >> thing
>
> >>> to do will be to refund the excess to the applicants.
>
> >>
>
> >> I kind of agree with the ethical part (although I haven't read
> the
>
> >> contract
>
> >> those applicants signed and what was promised in writing) but
> is it
>
> >> really
>
> >> going to be obvious to refund hundreds of applicants, some of
> them
>
> >> potentially gone as a business ?
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> R's,
>
> >>> John
>
> >>>
>
> >>> PS:
>
> >>>> How is it different to give away the funds to the ICANN
> community
>
> >>>> (for projects aligned with the ICANN mission) vs. to give
> them
>
> >> back
>
> >>>> to the board directly, given that the board is driven by the
>
> >> community ?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Well, actually, it's the board's money to give away, not ours.
>
>
> >> We're
>
> >>> just offering them advice.
>
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> >> --
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> >> Seun Ojedeji,
>
> >> Federal University Oye-Ekiti
>
> >> web:
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> >> Mobile: +2348035233535
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>
> >>
>
> >> Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your
>
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>
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