[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review - updated proposal for individual appeals mechanism

John R Levine johnl at taugh.com
Thu Aug 22 15:17:24 UTC 2019

I don't understand what you're proposing here.

This looks like a combincation of a two-stage application process (which I 
suppose is OK for large grants but way too much work for small ones) and a 
more complex denial process in which the evaluators have to say why they 
refused a grant.  What if there are three evaluators and they each have a 
different reason?

It's going to be hard enough just to get to yes or no, so I am utterly 
opposed to any sort of explanation of why a grant was not approved.


On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, Vanda Scartezini wrote:

> Even theoretically agreeing with Maureen, I see a great problem in responding all denied presentations.
> My proposal was to apply first with a small resume to not expend much time/people in the proposal analysis from both sides.
> With this,  we can have as we do here, a template with the reasons to denied as one with next steps for the accepted, with instructions wil do the  task
> For instance here the  DENIED template states some of the reasons:
> - out of context ( could be out of ICANN mission )
> - lack of innovation
> - existing studies ( solutions etc )
> - lack of impact analysis ( demanding as previous justification)
> After the previous approval people that will make the full proposal with cost, detailed explanations and justifications can be also approved or rejected
>  When not approved  the feedback will state, for isntance:
> -  inconsistency between Cost X project
> - inconsistency between time length X project
> - inadequate team
> - better structured  similar projects
> With some templates the feedback is delivered with some information but the time consuming is minimum.
> Lack of capacitation  certainly exist,  but the Auction is there to get good results,  not a program to capacitate on how to make good projects proposals
> My 2 cents
> Vanda Scartezini
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> On 8/20/19, 17:57, "Ccwg-auctionproceeds on behalf of John R Levine" <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org on behalf of johnl at taugh.com> wrote:
>    On Tue, 20 Aug 2019, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>    > I agree with Sylvia and especially with regards to feedback to those whose
>    > proposals are rejected. They need appropriate feedback that will help them
>    > to produce the applications that are going to  make the grade. This is more
>    > needed by those from underserved communities that do not have experience in
>    > writing such proposals yet are requesting something that is really
>    > worthwhile.
>    I really do not think it is our job to tell people how to rewrite their
>    proposals so they can reapply.  (Will there even be a chance to reapply?)
>    If we want to provide grant writing help, we should make that part of the
>    plan and not confuse it with the grant evaluation.
>    Regards,
>    John Levine, johnl at taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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