[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] New Deadline - 26 July 2019 - input on updated draft Final Report and outstanding questions

[John Levine]

PTI's structure and functions have no relationship to the ccwg's. I do not understand why people keep bringing it up.PTI does administrative activities under contract to icann and others. It does nothing even a little bit like giving out grants.Autocorrectly,John
-------- Original message --------From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> Date: 7/25/19  08:46  (GMT-08:00) To: marienoemie.marques at orange.com Cc: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>, John Levine <johnl at taugh.com>, CCWG Auction Proceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] New Deadline - 26 July 2019 - input on updated draft Final Report and outstanding questions Thank you for reminding us of this connection  which we raised as an option to consider very early in our discussions but was ignored.On Thu, 25 Jul 2019, 5:40 AM , <marienoemie.marques at orange.com> wrote:Would it be helpful, just for information, to note that : 
"Public Technical Identifiers (PTI) was incorporated in August 2016 as an affiliate of ICANN, and, through contracts and subcontracts with ICANN, began performing the IANA functions on behalf of ICANN in October 2016."

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De : Ccwg-auctionproceeds [mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org] De la part de Alan Greenberg
Envoyé : jeudi 25 juillet 2019 17:36
À : John Levine
Cc : CCWG Auction Proceeds
Objet : Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] New Deadline - 26 July 2019 - input on updated draft Final Report and outstanding questions

B was not an ICANN Subsidiary but some other existing entity that we 
could team up with so that we did not have to re-invent services that 
we could outsource. That being said, I am happy to eliminate it! 
Mechanism A always has the option of outsourcing some of the functions.

BTW, under the California law that we operate under, a Public 
Interest Corp cannot have a "subsidiary", but that is just a 
nomenclature issue.

Alan

At 25/07/2019 01:35 AM, John Levine wrote:
>>Mechanism B: I presume the phrase "established at a public charity" 
>>should be "established as a public
>>charity". I do not understand why the issue of tax benefits is 
>>being raised as in our case all of the
>>money is coming form ICANN which does not pay any taxes. So it 
>>SOUNDS like a benefit but is in fact
>>meaningless in our case.
>>It should be made clear that at this point, it is not clear what 
>>parts would be outsourced and what
>>will be kept within ICANN (except the application evaluation which 
>>must be outsourced).
>
>I believe that this is supposed to say that ICANN establishes a 
>captive foundation as a subsidiary.
>
>Having done exactly that at ISOC, I can say that for the CCWG's 
>purposes, giving away a one-time pile of money, this mechanism is 
>inferior in every way to mechanism A.  It costs more, takes longer, 
>has a lot more bureaucratic overhead, and can do no more or no less 
>than mechanism A. As Alan notes, it has no tax benefits.  It is a 
>waste of everyone's time to pursue it further.
>
>If anyone has a concrete reason why they believe this would be a 
>good idea, and is reasonably familiar with US non-profit tax law so 
>they understand what's involved, I would like to hear about it.
>
>R's,
>John
>
>PS: ISOC's situation is quite different and it makes sense for us. 
>If anyone wants details write me privately.

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