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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear All ..<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Apologies to weigh in late in this discussion .. After trying to catch up with this much appreciated interactive exchange:<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span>I like how the definition of “Open Internet” is developing as proposed by Elliot and modified by Sylvia reflecting comments by other colleagues as well<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span>Yet “Open Internet” is too broad so:<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span>I think we still need the level of explanation provided by Daniel, not as a definition but as a complementary and guiding explanation of what maybe included and what shouldn’t<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span>At the same time, I also agree to maintaining some flexibility otherwise we will be funding what ICANN would have funded anyway ..<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span>So we need to hit the right balance between what falls within ICANN’s remit and what ICANN would have funded anyway and also about maintaining flexibility without funding anything that would go beyond ICANN’s mandate
..<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">--Manal<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sylvia Cadena<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your input - Open Internet definition<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sure Elliot, I just had a go at editing your proposed definition, happy to review the details and discussed. On yours, you mentioned training (but only for users) so I added the one for those
making it work. You also mentioned policy (I added regulation) and affordability. I just put the 2 of them on a track changes document, so that it is easier to compare and review. See attached.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I also added some thoughts about the comments that Seun mentioned about differences… hope I captured them correctly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sylvia <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Sylvia Cadena |
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">elliot noss <<a href="mailto:enoss@tucows.com">enoss@tucows.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 22 August 2017 at 10:14 pm<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:sylvia@apnic.net">sylvia@apnic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:sylvia@apnic.net">sylvia@apnic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your input - Open Internet definition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">There are some elements of sylvia’s edits which I like as sentiment but not as they relate to the Open Internet. The Open Internet is a passive concept (a park for us children to play in and create). Some elements
like training, policy and affordability are active concepts. I support those concepts in places and projects but do not see them as being part of the definition of Open Internet.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">They could well be part of defining what we as a group support in connection with the Open Internet. I hope that distinction makes sense.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">EN<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On Aug 22, 2017, at 1:50 AM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Thinking aloud: can Internet really be said to "respect<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> differences" Espcially</span> that related to culture. I have my doubt on that one.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Cheers!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Sent from my mobile<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On Aug 22, 2017 2:53 AM, "Sylvia Cadena" <<a href="mailto:sylvia@apnic.net">sylvia@apnic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I think Elliot’s proposed definition is a good start. I also like the “elevator pitch” approach that Evan shared, guess we can find something in the middle.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">However, a couple of points to add:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Training on how to manage and operate the network is also important to be included. The Internet does not magically appear, it is the hard work of many men and women
engineers and technicians that make it work. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Governments are not the only ones providing training, and mentioning them directly on the definition places probably too much attention on their role</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Restrict access is not only happening because of political views but also socio-economic status, gender, geography/location and others. It might be best not to highlight
any in particular (as we might miss some) and summarize it around discriminations instead
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</span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Translating “stack” for “layer” will be a lot more appropriate as suggested by someone else. Stack/layer does not translate as scale, though. I have not included it
in my edits below though… </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">With that into account, I have edited Elliot’s text as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">“…an Internet that is equally accessible to all people for all purposes, and at every layer.
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">That means that no impediments are placed based on the sender, recipient, content, application or type of data being transmitted
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">That means that policy and regulation promote, support, facilitate and guarantee access
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">That means equality of access at a pragmatic level is ensured by assuring access at prices affordable to all members of society</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">That means training is available about how to manage, operate and use the Internet, as well as education in how to use it effectively</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">That means participation on an equal footing at all levels is encouraged, specially by those that might be discriminated against
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">An open Internet is one in which all people are empowered to contribute and to participate in building a worldwide culture that opens our hearts and minds by respecting differences. It is an Internet that we, the
people of the world, recognize as ours — something we have built together for one another.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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