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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Ditto.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-09-04 17:04, Anthony Harris
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I agree with this statement from James. Too much
        can be risked 
        <div>if this runs off the tracks.</div>
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        <div>Tony Harris</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 4:05 PM, James
          Gannon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
              href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I agree to a point Erica.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>And allow me to be slightly
                    less diplomatic for a moment,
                  </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I think what the crux of the
                    issue is is that many people have seen the potential
                    impact of the 250m in the fund and have amazing
                    ideas on the impact that that may have. However what
                    we have lost sight of is the fact that that fund
                    pales in comparison to the value that ICANN derives
                    from being secure and stable. In my own personal
                    opinion any steps by any groups to make, allow or
                    encourage ICANN to act outside of its very carefully
                    crafted mission must be pushed back on by the
                    community.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>We have just exited a very
                    stressful and impactful 3 years where we battled to
                    wrest control of ICANN to the community, and one of
                    the greatest battles we fought was to enshrine a
                    limited mission into ICANNs bylaws to apply to
                    everything and anything ICANN does. To many across
                    ICANN was one of the hardest fought battles we had.
                    And we cannot as the ICANN community immediately put
                    that back at risk (And yes I do feel that disbursing
                    the auction funds outside of the mission would do
                    that) and threaten to turn back on 3 years of work
                    for the potential impact of 250m USD. The value we
                    gain from not doing that and having a stable
                    coordinator of the DNS is much much greater than any
                    impact the auction funds could have.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>If in fact we are going to
                    reopen the mission discussion we should seriously
                    look at putting the auction fund in a high interest
                    bearing account for 10 years and come back to this
                    topic when the community is ready for another
                    discussion about ICANNs mission and where the funds
                    can be disbursed to.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                    lang="EN-US"> Erika Mann [mailto:<a
                      href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">erika@erikamann.com</a>]
                    <br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> 04 September 2017 19:20<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Daniel Dardailler &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:danield@w3.org" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">danield@w3.org</a>&gt;<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> Jon Nevett <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jon@donuts.email">&lt;jon@donuts.email&gt;</a>;
                    James Gannon &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>&gt;;
                    <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Fwd:
                    Board reply to CCWG-AP</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Daniel, James, Jon, Olawale,
                    All - </p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">personally I believe we open a
                      can of worms if we're going to bring is to the
                      full CCWG to find a solution. We will only
                      postpone the decision and will postpone therefore
                      the implementation phase of the fund. </p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">I rather hope that we can find
                      a diplomatic solution, a solution that will
                      satisfy the 'mission statement' concept but will
                      on the other hand bring sufficient flexibility to
                      the table to allow project evaluators in the
                      future to utilize maximum flexibilities. </p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">The 'open Internet' concept, if
                      it's turned into a introductory paragraph, will
                      help evaluators to understand the broader framing
                      of the mission statement within a defined Open
                      Internet concept. </p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">BTW I do not agree that the
                      current ICANN budget allows to support truly
                      important projects, for example in the security
                      and software area. And, so much more could be done
                      in certain training areas, for example DNS
                      software engineering, in particular if one would
                      like to see greater participation in/from
                      developing countries. </p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your comments! </p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,</p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Erika</p>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 7:40 PM,
                      Daniel Dardailler &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:danield@w3.org" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">danield@w3.org</a>&gt;
                      wrote:</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-09-04 19:08, Jon
                        Nevett wrote:</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">I agree with James here and
                          don't think that the Board's position is a<br>
                          paradox.  The ICANN org already is doing what
                          it thinks it can do to<br>
                          support the ICANN mission based on its current
                          financial position.</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                        Is the current financial position of ICANN
                        really an impediment to what ICANN wants to do
                        in support of its mission ? I was under the
                        impression that ICANN's budget was healthy
                        enough to implement its mission optimally today,
                        with also a large untouched pot coming from the
                        new gTLD application process (unused legal costs
                        if I understand correctly).<br>
                        <br>
                      </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">That doesn't mean that the
                          ICANN community couldn't do more to support<br>
                          the mission with use of the auction proceeds.</p>
                      </blockquote>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        How is it different to give away the funds to
                        the ICANN community (for projects aligned with
                        the ICANN mission) vs. to give them back to the
                        board directly, given that the board is driven
                        by the community ?<br>
                        <br>
                        Moreover, will the board/ICANN community accept
                        to delegate some of their responsibility to
                        implement the ICANN mission to some external
                        grantees ? Not without a clear control process
                        IMO, which means ICANN will certainly have to
                        manage the granting process itself (adding an
                        intermediary foundation would raise too high the
                        risks of funding doing bad things for ICANN/its
                        mission).</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
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                            <br>
                            <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Best, Jon<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                            </p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 4, 2017, at
                                12:38 PM, James Gannon &lt;<a
                                  href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>&gt;
                                wrote:<br>
                                <br>
                                Yes agreed that this is the most crucial
                                part of the response! But I think what
                                the board is saying (And indeed what I
                                have mentioned a few times) is that the
                                funds are restricted by the ICANN
                                mission and core values, and thus to
                                look at disbursements outside of that,
                                the mission and core values must be
                                changed, which being very honest is not
                                something that will happen in the short
                                or medium term future and certainly not
                                within the lifetime of this CCWG.<br>
                                <br>
                                -James<br>
                                <br>
                                -----Original Message-----<br>
                                From: <a
                                  href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a>
                                [mailto:<a
                                  href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]
                                On Behalf Of Daniel Dardailler<br>
                                Sent: 04 September 2017 17:23<br>
                                To: Erika Mann &lt;<a
                                  href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">erika@erikamann.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                Cc: <a
                                  href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
                                Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Fwd:
                                Board reply to CCWG-AP<br>
                                <br>
                                Thanks Erika.<br>
                                <br>
                                To me, the important bit is this one:<br>
                                 ".. If the CCWG is dissatisfied with
                                the restrictions that the enumerated
                                mission statement places on the outcomes
                                of the CCWG’s work, that is a
                                fundamental question for the ICANN
                                community to resolve, as the ICANN Board
                                is holding the organization to the
                                mission that the ICANN community
                                developed through the Enhancing ICANN
                                Accountability process"<br>
                                <br>
                                I think our current discussions on Open
                                Internet description shows a consensus
                                in our group wrt to the mission
                                enumerated statement being too limited
                                (i.e. only DNS, IP, protocols) for the
                                scope we foresee.<br>
                                <br>
                                If we can get consensus on this point,
                                then we can start making a case in front
                                of the ICANN community that the auction
                                funds are special for various reasons:<br>
                                <br>
                                  - they are supposed to be used outside
                                of the ICANN regular operational budget,
                                but are legally restricted to be spent
                                only on these operational items (mission
                                listing). That's a paradox in itself.<br>
                                  - they are supposed to be used for the
                                good of the Internet (which we are
                                turning into "in support of the Open
                                Internet"), which is a concept not
                                limited to the ICANN mission<br>
                                  - they are a one time event and
                                extending the scope of their granting
                                beyond the ICANN limited mission will
                                not endanger the ICANN mission and role
                                itself.<br>
                                  - ICANN doesn't live in a vacuum and
                                there is value to ICANN (and its<br>
                                mission) to do a scope extension for
                                these funds<br>
                                  - ICANN's first commitment, in the
                                By-Laws: "Preserve and enhance the
                                administration of the DNS and the
                                operational stability, reliability,
                                security, global interoperability,
                                resilience, and openness of the DNS and
                                the Internet"<br>
                                   covers our vision of scope extension
                                pretty well since it can be read as
                                "Preserve and enhance .. the operational
                                stability, reliability, security, global
                                interoperability, resilience, and
                                openness of ... the Internet".<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                On 2017-09-04 16:29, Erika Mann wrote:</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Dear All -<br>
                                  <br>
                                  herewith I'm forwarding Steve's reply
                                  to our letter.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  We will have a first exchange on
                                  Thursday this week, during our CCWG<br>
                                  AP call. I send Steve already a quick
                                  reply, saying that we will<br>
                                  discuss the Board letter then for the
                                  first time.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Best,<br>
                                  Erika<br>
                                  <br>
                                  ---------- Forwarded message
                                  ----------<br>
                                  From: STEVE CROCKER &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:steve.crocker@board.icann.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">steve.crocker@board.icann.org</a><wbr>&gt;<br>
                                  Date: Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM<br>
                                  Subject: Board reply to CCWG-AP<br>
                                  To: Erika Mann &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">erika@erikamann.com</a>&gt;,
                                  Ching Chiao &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:chiao@brandma.co"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">chiao@brandma.co</a>&gt;,<br>
                                  Marika Konings &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">marika.konings@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
                                  Cc: Steve Crocker &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:steve.crocker@board.icann.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">steve.crocker@board.icann.org</a><wbr>&gt;,
                                  Marika Konings<br>
                                  &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">marika.konings@icann.org</a>&gt;,
                                  Icann-board ICANN &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:icann-board@icann.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">icann-board@icann.org</a>&gt;,<br>
                                  Avri Doria &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:avri@apc.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">avri@apc.org</a>&gt;,
                                  "Sarah B. Deutsch"<br>
                                  &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:sarahbdeutsch@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">sarahbdeutsch@gmail.com</a>&gt;,
                                  Board Operations<br>
                                  &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:Board-Ops-Team@icann.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">Board-Ops-Team@icann.org</a>&gt;,
                                  Sally Costerton<br>
                                  &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:sally.costerton@icann.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">sally.costerton@icann.org</a>&gt;,
                                  Samantha Eisner<br>
                                  &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>&gt;,
                                  Lauren Allison &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:lauren.allison@icann.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">lauren.allison@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Dear Erika and Ching,<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Thank you for your letter received on
                                  May 22, 2017 on behalf of the<br>
                                  Cross Community Working Group on New
                                  gTLD Auction Proceeds (CCWG-AP)<br>
                                  in response to the Board email of
                                  March 2nd 2017.<br>
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                                  On behalf of the Board, I am delighted
                                  to see that we are aligned in<br>
                                  our thinking regarding the points
                                  discussed in the original email.<br>
                                  Specifically, in response to your
                                  letter, please find attached a<br>
                                  letter including additional
                                  acknowledgements and requested<br>
                                  clarifications.<br>
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                                  Thank you again for your efforts
                                  leading this work.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Steve<br>
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