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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Ditto.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-09-04 17:04, Anthony Harris
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<div dir="ltr">I agree with this statement from James. Too much
can be risked
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 4:05 PM, James
Gannon <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I agree to a point Erica.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>And allow me to be slightly
less diplomatic for a moment,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I think what the crux of the
issue is is that many people have seen the potential
impact of the 250m in the fund and have amazing
ideas on the impact that that may have. However what
we have lost sight of is the fact that that fund
pales in comparison to the value that ICANN derives
from being secure and stable. In my own personal
opinion any steps by any groups to make, allow or
encourage ICANN to act outside of its very carefully
crafted mission must be pushed back on by the
community.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>We have just exited a very
stressful and impactful 3 years where we battled to
wrest control of ICANN to the community, and one of
the greatest battles we fought was to enshrine a
limited mission into ICANNs bylaws to apply to
everything and anything ICANN does. To many across
ICANN was one of the hardest fought battles we had.
And we cannot as the ICANN community immediately put
that back at risk (And yes I do feel that disbursing
the auction funds outside of the mission would do
that) and threaten to turn back on 3 years of work
for the potential impact of 250m USD. The value we
gain from not doing that and having a stable
coordinator of the DNS is much much greater than any
impact the auction funds could have.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>If in fact we are going to
reopen the mission discussion we should seriously
look at putting the auction fund in a high interest
bearing account for 10 years and come back to this
topic when the community is ready for another
discussion about ICANNs mission and where the funds
can be disbursed to.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Erika Mann [mailto:<a
href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">erika@erikamann.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 04 September 2017 19:20<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniel Dardailler <<a
href="mailto:danield@w3.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">danield@w3.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jon Nevett <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jon@donuts.email"><jon@donuts.email></a>;
James Gannon <<a
href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>>;
<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Fwd:
Board reply to CCWG-AP</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Daniel, James, Jon, Olawale,
All - </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">personally I believe we open a
can of worms if we're going to bring is to the
full CCWG to find a solution. We will only
postpone the decision and will postpone therefore
the implementation phase of the fund. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I rather hope that we can find
a diplomatic solution, a solution that will
satisfy the 'mission statement' concept but will
on the other hand bring sufficient flexibility to
the table to allow project evaluators in the
future to utilize maximum flexibilities. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The 'open Internet' concept, if
it's turned into a introductory paragraph, will
help evaluators to understand the broader framing
of the mission statement within a defined Open
Internet concept. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">BTW I do not agree that the
current ICANN budget allows to support truly
important projects, for example in the security
and software area. And, so much more could be done
in certain training areas, for example DNS
software engineering, in particular if one would
like to see greater participation in/from
developing countries. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your comments! </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Erika</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 7:40 PM,
Daniel Dardailler <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-09-04 19:08, Jon
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with James here and
don't think that the Board's position is a<br>
paradox. The ICANN org already is doing what
it thinks it can do to<br>
support the ICANN mission based on its current
financial position.</p>
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Is the current financial position of ICANN
really an impediment to what ICANN wants to do
in support of its mission ? I was under the
impression that ICANN's budget was healthy
enough to implement its mission optimally today,
with also a large untouched pot coming from the
new gTLD application process (unused legal costs
if I understand correctly).<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That doesn't mean that the
ICANN community couldn't do more to support<br>
the mission with use of the auction proceeds.</p>
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How is it different to give away the funds to
the ICANN community (for projects aligned with
the ICANN mission) vs. to give them back to the
board directly, given that the board is driven
by the community ?<br>
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Moreover, will the board/ICANN community accept
to delegate some of their responsibility to
implement the ICANN mission to some external
grantees ? Not without a clear control process
IMO, which means ICANN will certainly have to
manage the granting process itself (adding an
intermediary foundation would raise too high the
risks of funding doing bad things for ICANN/its
mission).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 4, 2017, at
12:38 PM, James Gannon <<a
href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Yes agreed that this is the most crucial
part of the response! But I think what
the board is saying (And indeed what I
have mentioned a few times) is that the
funds are restricted by the ICANN
mission and core values, and thus to
look at disbursements outside of that,
the mission and core values must be
changed, which being very honest is not
something that will happen in the short
or medium term future and certainly not
within the lifetime of this CCWG.<br>
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-James<br>
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On Behalf Of Daniel Dardailler<br>
Sent: 04 September 2017 17:23<br>
To: Erika Mann <<a
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Cc: <a
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Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Fwd:
Board reply to CCWG-AP<br>
<br>
Thanks Erika.<br>
<br>
To me, the important bit is this one:<br>
".. If the CCWG is dissatisfied with
the restrictions that the enumerated
mission statement places on the outcomes
of the CCWG’s work, that is a
fundamental question for the ICANN
community to resolve, as the ICANN Board
is holding the organization to the
mission that the ICANN community
developed through the Enhancing ICANN
Accountability process"<br>
<br>
I think our current discussions on Open
Internet description shows a consensus
in our group wrt to the mission
enumerated statement being too limited
(i.e. only DNS, IP, protocols) for the
scope we foresee.<br>
<br>
If we can get consensus on this point,
then we can start making a case in front
of the ICANN community that the auction
funds are special for various reasons:<br>
<br>
- they are supposed to be used outside
of the ICANN regular operational budget,
but are legally restricted to be spent
only on these operational items (mission
listing). That's a paradox in itself.<br>
- they are supposed to be used for the
good of the Internet (which we are
turning into "in support of the Open
Internet"), which is a concept not
limited to the ICANN mission<br>
- they are a one time event and
extending the scope of their granting
beyond the ICANN limited mission will
not endanger the ICANN mission and role
itself.<br>
- ICANN doesn't live in a vacuum and
there is value to ICANN (and its<br>
mission) to do a scope extension for
these funds<br>
- ICANN's first commitment, in the
By-Laws: "Preserve and enhance the
administration of the DNS and the
operational stability, reliability,
security, global interoperability,
resilience, and openness of the DNS and
the Internet"<br>
covers our vision of scope extension
pretty well since it can be read as
"Preserve and enhance .. the operational
stability, reliability, security, global
interoperability, resilience, and
openness of ... the Internet".<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2017-09-04 16:29, Erika Mann wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear All -<br>
<br>
herewith I'm forwarding Steve's reply
to our letter.<br>
<br>
We will have a first exchange on
Thursday this week, during our CCWG<br>
AP call. I send Steve already a quick
reply, saying that we will<br>
discuss the Board letter then for the
first time.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Erika<br>
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From: STEVE CROCKER <<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">steve.crocker@board.icann.org</a><wbr>><br>
Date: Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM<br>
Subject: Board reply to CCWG-AP<br>
To: Erika Mann <<a
href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">erika@erikamann.com</a>>,
Ching Chiao <<a
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Marika Konings <<a
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Cc: Steve Crocker <<a
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Marika Konings<br>
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Icann-board ICANN <<a
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Avri Doria <<a
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"Sarah B. Deutsch"<br>
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Board Operations<br>
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Sally Costerton<br>
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Samantha Eisner<br>
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Lauren Allison <<a
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<br>
Dear Erika and Ching,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your letter received on
May 22, 2017 on behalf of the<br>
Cross Community Working Group on New
gTLD Auction Proceeds (CCWG-AP)<br>
in response to the Board email of
March 2nd 2017.<br>
<br>
On behalf of the Board, I am delighted
to see that we are aligned in<br>
our thinking regarding the points
discussed in the original email.<br>
Specifically, in response to your
letter, please find attached a<br>
letter including additional
acknowledgements and requested<br>
clarifications.<br>
<br>
Thank you again for your efforts
leading this work.<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
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