<div dir="ltr">Hello Daniel/Jon<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Daniel Dardailler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danield@w3.org" target="_blank">danield@w3.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 2017-09-05 16:21, Jon Nevett wrote:<br>
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Sean: No refunds from the auction proceeds were committed to or<br>
anticipated. Not sure where this idea is coming from. Jon<br></blockquote></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>SO: Thanks for clarification Jon</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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There was a mixup in the thread at some point between refunding the applicants of the surplus of applicant fees, and refunding the applicants going to auctions using the auction benefits. I think the second is clearly out but I'm still wondering if the first one is a real option.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>SO: If by "real option" you mean using auction proceed to refund applicants, I don't see why that should be an option at all.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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+1 to that Alberto line of reasoning Alberto. Though it will be good<br>
to know if ICANN has indeed legally committed (as per contract) to<br>
provide some refunds from auction proceed.<br>
<br>
If that is the case i don't think its something within our scope to<br>
challenge we will just then need to clarify from ICANN how much is<br>
really available and accessible in the auction proceeds account.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
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On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Alberto Soto<br>
<<a href="mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org" target="_blank">asoto@ibero-americano.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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do not know how the signed contract is. I do not know if the<br>
return is<br>
correct. Whoever buys a restaurant and does not get profitability<br>
does so at<br>
their own risk. Who buys a domain and does not obtain<br>
profitability, does so<br>
at their own risk. ICANN should not be the guarantee if no<br>
profitability is<br>
obtained.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Alberto<br>
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De: <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@i<wbr>cann.org</a><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-auctionproceeds-b<wbr>ounces@icann.org</a>] En nombre de<br>
Daniel<br>
Dardailler<br>
Enviado el: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 6:56 AM<br>
Para: John R. Levine <<a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com" target="_blank">johnl@iecc.com</a>><br>
CC: <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
Asunto: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] lotsa money, was Fwd: Board<br>
reply to<br>
CCWG-AP<br>
<br>
On 2017-09-04 23:48, John R. Levine wrote:<br>
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Is the current financial position of ICANN really an impediment<br>
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to<br>
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what ICANN wants to do in support of its mission ? I was under<br>
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the<br>
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impression that ICANN's budget was healthy enough to implement<br>
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its<br>
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mission optimally today, with also a large untouched pot coming<br>
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from<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
the new gTLD application process (unused legal costs if I<br>
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understand<br>
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correctly).<br>
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<br>
Not really. ICANN's operating budget is fully committed. There<br>
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is<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
indeed a lot of unspent new gTLD application money, but it's a<br>
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whole<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
separate can of worms. It's not ours to spend and since ICANN<br>
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said<br>
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the price was set to cover their costs, the obvious and ethical<br>
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thing<br>
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to do will be to refund the excess to the applicants.<br>
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<br>
I kind of agree with the ethical part (although I haven't read the<br>
contract<br>
those applicants signed and what was promised in writing) but is<br>
it really<br>
going to be obvious to refund hundreds of applicants, some of them<br>
potentially gone as a business ?<br>
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<br>
R's,<br>
John<br>
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PS:<br>
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How is it different to give away the funds to the ICANN<br>
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community<br>
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(for projects aligned with the ICANN mission) vs. to give them<br>
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back<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
to the board directly, given that the board is driven by the<br>
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community ?<br>
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<br>
Well, actually, it's the board's money to give away, not ours.<br>
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We're<br>
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just offering them advice.<br>
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