<div dir="ltr">I really don&#39;t know Daniel. I heard sometimes people arguing for this but I never noticed that this topic is debated. Maybe someone else knows more. <div><br></div><div>Erika</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Daniel Dardailler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:danield@w3.org" target="_blank">danield@w3.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 2017-09-05 17:17, Erika Mann wrote:<br>
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Indeed, we don&#39;t even need to discuss this topic further.<br>
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I agree it&#39;s out of scope.<br>
<br>
Can we just be pointed to the place where these application fees refund discussions are happening  ? (e.g. in another ICANN group). Thanks.<br>
<br>
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<br>
Erika<br>
<br>
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Jon Nevett &lt;jon@donuts.email&gt; wrote:<br>
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Sean:  No refunds from the auction proceeds were committed to or<br>
anticipated. Not sure where this idea is coming from. Jon<br>
<br>
On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Seun Ojedeji &lt;<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
+1 to that Alberto line of reasoning Alberto. Though it will be good<br>
to know if ICANN has indeed legally committed (as per contract) to<br>
provide some refunds from auction proceed.<br>
<br>
If that is the case i don&#39;t think its something within our scope to<br>
challenge we will just then need to clarify from ICANN how much is<br>
really available and accessible in the auction proceeds account.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Alberto Soto<br>
&lt;<a href="mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org" target="_blank">asoto@ibero-americano.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
do not know how the signed contract is. I do not know if the return<br>
is<br>
correct. Whoever buys a restaurant and does not get profitability<br>
does so at<br>
their own risk. Who buys a domain and does not obtain profitability,<br>
does so<br>
at their own risk. ICANN should not be the guarantee if no<br>
profitability is<br>
obtained.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Alberto<br>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-auctionproceeds-b<wbr>ounces@icann.org</a>] En nombre de Daniel<br>
Dardailler<br>
Enviado el: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 6:56 AM<br>
Para: John R. Levine &lt;<a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com" target="_blank">johnl@iecc.com</a>&gt;<br>
CC: <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
Asunto: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] lotsa money, was Fwd: Board reply<br>
to<br>
CCWG-AP<br>
<br>
On 2017-09-04 23:48, John R. Levine wrote:<br>
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Is the current financial position of ICANN really an impediment<br>
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to<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
what ICANN wants to do in support of its mission ? I was under<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
the<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
impression that ICANN&#39;s budget was healthy enough to implement<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
its<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
mission optimally today, with also a large untouched pot coming<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
from<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
the new gTLD application process (unused legal costs if I<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
understand<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
correctly).<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Not really.  ICANN&#39;s operating budget is fully committed.  There<br>
</blockquote>
is<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
indeed a lot of unspent new gTLD application money, but it&#39;s a<br>
</blockquote>
whole<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
separate can of worms.  It&#39;s not ours to spend and since ICANN<br>
</blockquote>
said<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
the price was set to cover their costs, the obvious and ethical<br>
</blockquote>
thing<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
to do will be to refund the excess to the applicants.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I kind of agree with the ethical part (although I haven&#39;t read the<br>
contract<br>
those applicants signed and what was promised in writing) but is it<br>
really<br>
going to be obvious to refund hundreds of applicants, some of them<br>
potentially gone as a business ?<br>
<br>
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<br>
R&#39;s,<br>
John<br>
<br>
PS:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
How is it different to give away the funds to the ICANN community<br>
(for projects aligned with the ICANN mission) vs. to give them<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
back<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
to the board directly, given that the board is driven by the<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
community ?<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Well, actually, it&#39;s the board&#39;s money to give away, not ours.<br>
</blockquote>
We&#39;re<br>
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just offering them advice.<br>
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