<div dir="auto">+1<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Sent from my mobile<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 5, 2017 4:16 PM, "James Gannon" <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Even if it was its out of scope for this group.<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org">ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org">ccwg-auctionproceeds-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Daniel Dardailler<br>
</div><div class="quoted-text">Sent: 05 September 2017 16:01<br>
To: Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: John R. Levine <<a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com">johnl@iecc.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
</div><div class="elided-text">Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] lotsa money, was Fwd: Board reply to CCWG-AP<br>
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On 2017-09-05 16:50, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
> Hello Daniel/Jon<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Daniel Dardailler <<a href="mailto:danield@w3.org">danield@w3.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> On 2017-09-05 16:21, Jon Nevett wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Sean: No refunds from the auction proceeds were committed to or<br>
>>> anticipated. Not sure where this idea is coming from. Jon<br>
><br>
> SO: Thanks for clarification Jon<br>
><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> There was a mixup in the thread at some point between refunding the<br>
>> applicants of the surplus of applicant fees, and refunding the<br>
>> applicants going to auctions using the auction benefits. I think the<br>
>> second is clearly out but I'm still wondering if the first one is a<br>
>> real option.<br>
><br>
> SO: If by "real option" you mean using auction proceed to refund<br>
> applicants, I don't see why that should be an option at all.<br>
<br>
No, I meant using the application legal surplus to refund the applicants (in the 130M); is that a valid option that could be implemented ?<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> +1 to that Alberto line of reasoning Alberto. Though it will be good<br>
>> to know if ICANN has indeed legally committed (as per contract) to<br>
>> provide some refunds from auction proceed.<br>
>><br>
>> If that is the case i don't think its something within our scope to<br>
>> challenge we will just then need to clarify from ICANN how much is<br>
>> really available and accessible in the auction proceeds account.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Alberto Soto<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org">asoto@ibero-americano.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> do not know how the signed contract is. I do not know if the<br>
>> return is<br>
>> correct. Whoever buys a restaurant and does not get profitability<br>
>> does so at<br>
>> their own risk. Who buys a domain and does not obtain<br>
>> profitability, does so<br>
>> at their own risk. ICANN should not be the guarantee if no<br>
>> profitability is<br>
>> obtained.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards<br>
>> Alberto<br>
>><br>
>> -----Mensaje original-----<br>
>> De: <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org">ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a><br>
>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org">ccwg-auctionproceeds-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>] En nombre de<br>
>> Daniel<br>
>> Dardailler<br>
>> Enviado el: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 6:56 AM<br>
>> Para: John R. Levine <<a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com">johnl@iecc.com</a>><br>
>> CC: <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
>> Asunto: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] lotsa money, was Fwd: Board<br>
>> reply to<br>
>> CCWG-AP<br>
>><br>
>> On 2017-09-04 23:48, John R. Levine wrote:<br>
>> Is the current financial position of ICANN really an impediment<br>
> to<br>
><br>
>>> what ICANN wants to do in support of its mission ? I was under<br>
> the<br>
><br>
>>> impression that ICANN's budget was healthy enough to implement<br>
> its<br>
><br>
>>> mission optimally today, with also a large untouched pot coming<br>
> from<br>
><br>
>>> the new gTLD application process (unused legal costs if I<br>
> understand<br>
><br>
>>> correctly).<br>
>><br>
>> Not really. ICANN's operating budget is fully committed. There<br>
> is<br>
><br>
>> indeed a lot of unspent new gTLD application money, but it's a<br>
> whole<br>
><br>
>> separate can of worms. It's not ours to spend and since ICANN<br>
> said<br>
><br>
>> the price was set to cover their costs, the obvious and ethical<br>
> thing<br>
><br>
>> to do will be to refund the excess to the applicants.<br>
><br>
> I kind of agree with the ethical part (although I haven't read the<br>
> contract<br>
> those applicants signed and what was promised in writing) but is<br>
> it really<br>
> going to be obvious to refund hundreds of applicants, some of them<br>
> potentially gone as a business ?<br>
><br>
>> R's,<br>
>> John<br>
>><br>
>> PS:<br>
>><br>
>>> How is it different to give away the funds to the ICANN<br>
> community<br>
><br>
>>> (for projects aligned with the ICANN mission) vs. to give them<br>
> back<br>
><br>
>>> to the board directly, given that the board is driven by the<br>
> community ?<br>
><br>
>> Well, actually, it's the board's money to give away, not ours.<br>
> We're<br>
><br>
>> just offering them advice.<br>
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>> Seun Ojedeji,<br>
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