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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">,<span style="color:black">
and the AC Chat, MP3</span> and Adobe Connect<span style="color:black"> recording below for the CCWG Auction Proceeds call held on Thursday,
</span>5 October <span style="color:black">2017 at 14:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<b><span style="color:black">Mp3:</span></b><span style="color:black"> </span><a href="https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-auction-proceeds-05oct17-en.mp3">https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-auction-proceeds-05oct17-en.mp3</a><span style="color:#111111"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="line-height:15.6pt;background:white"><b><span style="color:black">AC Recording: </span></b><span style="color:black">
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<p style="line-height:15.6pt;background:white"><span style="color:black">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</span>
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar-23nov&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=uidTA5V7RlRhqXBxGhLbVHOzk2lvDzLHK99nhjsKzW0&s=G7owpjQHHbzd9bFlrfdYX7Lik6lU9W8BeG1n7HUqLpI&e=">
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Adobe Connect chat transcript for Thursday,
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Julie Bisland:Welcome to the CCWG New gTLD Auction Proceeds call on Thursday 05 October 2017 at 14:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Julie Bisland:Agenda wiki page:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Olga Cavalli:Hello all, good morning from Buenos Aires!<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Ching Chiao:Good morning Olga. Good to have you
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Julf Helsingius:Good <timeofday><o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marc Gauw:Hello from stormy Amsterdam<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Manal Ismail:Hello everyone :) !!<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Ching Chiao:Hello Julf, Mac <o:p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Alberto Soto:Hello everyone !! from Buenos Aires<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Joke Braeken:We will do so Ching<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Nadira AL-Araj:Happy day to all<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Hi everyone from Brisbane :)<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Vanda Scartezini:hi everyone - in a very noise environment ..sorry. will be mute<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> enoss:[apologies for arriving late]<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Mary Uduma:Hi Everyone<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Wale Bakare:Hi all<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:@Julie @Marika can you please organize to call Carolina Caeiro? She is trying to connect but she says Adobe doesn't let her in
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> enoss:and hello from sunny toronto. beautiful fall day<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marika Konings:@Sylvia - if you or she can provide us with her number we can dial out to her.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Just send it to Julie<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Thanks Marika<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marika Konings:Great, thanks Sylvia<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Wale Bakare:Please, can Staff send code for this call, for dial out participants<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Vanda Scartezini:Elliot - spring time here and as always sunny day<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marika Konings:changing browsers may sometimes help with getting into Adobe.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marika Konings:@Wale - participant code is AUCTION<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> jian Zhang:gt in<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Wale Bakare:Thanks, Marika<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> jian Zhang:got in, but the voice is quite unstable<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler:sorry to be late, connection pbs on my side<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marika Konings:as a reminder, call details as well as adobe connect room for every meeting are circulated prior to the meeting (plus several reminders) by the GNSO Secretariat (Julie Bisland, Terri Agnew or
Nathalie Peregrine) to the <a href="mailto:ntfy-ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org">
ntfy-ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a> mailing list. <o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marika Konings:also, the adobe connect room link is always the same, so you may also want to save it separately so you always have it handy at the start of a meeting :-)<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Stephanie Perrin:I apologize for being late.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Carolina Caeiro:Hi all, I was able to connect via Adobe Connect so I hang up the phone. Many thanks for all the assistance
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Julie Bisland:you're welcome, Carolina!
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Manal Ismail:Many thanks for slide 5 .. extremely useful and informative ..<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> enoss:as noted on email, I think a temperature of the room wrt who wants 1/2/3/4 would be useful. maybe others are not decided on that so it is better to do that after this presentation<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Ching Chiao:@enoss -- we will talk about that later , a 2nd survey on charter question 7<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marilyn Cade:Sam, while I appreciate the exploration of the fourth column, I do not support it. this avoids the accountabilty to ICANN which I think we all consider a baseline. Creating an independent Foundation,
is this 3? A foundation that is independent, without ICANN doing much, only assessing affiliation with its mission?
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Vanda Scartezini:+ 1 Marilyn<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Agree with Marilyn. Better to focus on the first 3 columns. The 4th one is just not goig to work<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marilyn Cade:Thanks Eliott, but I am not sure what you mean by "temperature of the room". We both know that many in a room might vote one way, and then, when informed, say: wait, didn't understand we were
creating a legal liability for ICANN. so we want to not do that.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Stephen Deerhake (.as):+1 Marilyn<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Alan Greenberg:My understanding was that Col 4 is there simply to make it clear that it is NOT an option (since no way to audit).<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Hadia Elminiawi:+ 1 Marilyn, though i prefer focusing on the first two
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:@Sam when you say ICANN resources to support those 4 lines, you mean a portion of the auction proceeds, or do you mean that ICANN is committed to devote resources for those key elements?
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Vanda Scartezini:good question Sylvia<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Or do you mean a portion of the auction proceeds?
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Nadira AL-Araj:Notice the column 3. vs. column 4. which makes column 4 is not an option<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Alan Greenberg:I think we have already decided that all "costs" associated with funds will be born by the funds and not ICANN operational budgets.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marilyn Cade:I spend a lot of time exploring a foundation for single letters for com and .net. I really want us to explore an independent and accountable foundation.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:That was my understanding Alan, but I am not clear because Sam is saying ICANN (not the auction funds)<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Manal Ismail:I also believe that column 4 is not an option but understand that this is theoritically speaking .. i.e. just a listing of all possible (not necessarily practical) options ..<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Alan Greenberg:+1 Manal.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Vanda Scartezini:yeah no reason to have column 4<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marc Gauw:Watch out: "Oversight" in option 2 or 3 should not mean '"Service Contract". That would bring many 501c-look-a-like (charity-)organisations in trouble and as such become disqualified to take a role
in this process<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Wale Bakare:I would render sub-column, the External Resources of Col 1 non-existing<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Vanda Scartezini:thanks for raise this MArc
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler:I think there is a timing issue that needs to be considered in each valid scenarii (first 3). The "allowed" scope of funding being likely to evolve, having intermediaries will lead to delays
in reacting to these changes and bring more fiduciary risks for ICANN<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> enoss:@marilyn I was acknowledging in my comment that people may want to hear the presentation before having a view. I took your comment to simply reinforce that.. does that make sense?<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler:e.g. an fund recipient has signed a 3 year contract with the intermediary funding agency to work on some scope, and a year after, ICANN declare this scope is now out, but there is this contract
going on.. <o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Thanks Xavier, clear on the purpose of column 4 on the slide and also that when you say ICANN you actually mean the Auction Fund (to cover costs).<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Ching Chiao:+1 Sylvia <o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Julie Bisland:Reminder: please mute your line if not speaking<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Hadia Elminiawi:yes Sylvia<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Alan Greenberg:So in the case where the auction funds are transfered to another body, either some would be retained by ICANN to cover costs, or a charge would be levied by ICANN to the body holding the funds.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler:(I rejoined by phone, the voip was too bad)<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Jonathan Robinson:@Slyvia. Good point. Monitoring & Review.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Kavouss Arasteh:I DISAGREE with the conduct of the meeting. I was the second on queue after Alan I Was pushed to fifth WHY?<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Jonathan Robinson:Ongoing monitoring & review of funded projects. Outcomes.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Sorry Kavouss, I think your hand was dropped. My apologies.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:I was not paying attention to who was before.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marika Konings:@Kavouss - there is no ability for us to change the order of speakers. It is in the order in which hands are raised. Maybe your hand got inadvertently dropped and as a result you got added to
the back of the queue?<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Mary Uduma:+1@Alan<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Kavouss Arasteh:Who manage the adobe?<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Kavouss Arasteh:Why a type of discrimiation was made pushing me out from the Queue and ....<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marilyn Cade:I will have to drop off in 15 minutes to move to a different call. I saw Kavoss asking before I did. Marika, perhaps you might want to just check on who can stay around. I cannot due to another
commitment, but if I cannot speak, I will post my comments. <o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marilyn Cade:Kavouss, my experience is taht the technology is not perfected. :-)
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marika Konings:@Kavouss, as explained, there is no way for staff or anyone else to change the order of hands raised. Your hand may have dropped and as a result added inthe back of the queue.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marilyn Cade:Maye we can move youup in the discussion.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Thanks Xavier. It is not clear on the slide. It will be good to clarify that so the table does not refer only to the disbursement processes.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marilyn Cade:After all, to ICANN, we do not yet have a governmetn speaker, and you migth be our first in this discussion.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Mary Uduma:since ICANN had incurred some costs from the beginning of the Auction process, it goes without saying that some part of the proceed would be retained by ICANN to recover all costs.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Stephanie Perrin:By all means, Kavouss can go ahead of me<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Stephen Deerhake (.as):Marilyn, I'm not ready to publically comment on this from a ccTLD perspective...<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Mary Uduma:Whichever options that would be adopted. This is in support of Alan's last post.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Stephanie Perrin:absolutely<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Your hand was dropped off.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marilyn Cade:I think that perhaps my view that we should seriously examime a separate foundation with accountabilty to key criteria established that meets the requirements of ICANN... as we estblish it<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler:(has this situation ever occured ? if not, I'd just move on, rather than try to rationalize, it was a bug)<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marilyn Cade:I stepped aside not to speak, to make sure that those not yet heard could speak, Kavouss, as I hoped to listen to you. I was not taking a slot, as I wanted to hear from any government or any ccTLD
as these views have not been heard. <o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marika Konings:@Daniel - yes, it sometimes happens when a persons connectivity drops.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Mary Uduma:Kavouss, kindly accept the apology and still take the<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Mary Uduma:floor <o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marilyn Cade:I hope to hear from al, and with apoligies, I will have to drop off in 7 mintues. I have posted my suggestion that I prefer an independent foundation, with requirements provided for adherance
to the ICNN mission and core values. I will be advancing that in a discussion within the BC, to see if we are supporting any of the optoins.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Wale Bakare:The problem is probably caused by Adobe Connect and perhaps connectivity<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Manal Ismail:+1 Stephanie on the difference between columns 2 & 3 ..<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marc Gauw:Stephanie: please do not talk about 'agencies' or 'contracts'... this disquaifies the charity-organisations from joining this process<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Ching Chiao:+1 Stephanie <o:p>
</o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:+1 Stephanie <o:p>
</o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marilyn Cade:So many appreciations for the ICANN staff presentation and for the great work of this CCWG-Auctions Proceeds.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:It doesn't Marc. There might be intermediaries, there might be different types of mechanisms (contracts, grant agreements, MGCs, etc)<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Nadira AL-Araj:To my understanding column 2 will need a MOU to enable the Hybrid while column 3. it will need a full contract with ICANN<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marc Gauw:@Sylvia: tax-exempted organisations have to be carefull with the wording ...<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Stephanie Perrin:Thanks so much Xavier, great explanation
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Samantha Eisner:@Nadira, there's really not enough information available at this time to identify what arrangements/agreements would have to be in place between ICANN and an external distributor of funds<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Hadia Elminiawi:Thanks Xavier - very clear<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Mary Uduma:From, .ngccTLD, we<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Hadia Elminiawi:kavouss i think there is a problem with your connection
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marika Konings:It is likely linked to your connectivity.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler:I'm raising my hand to check adobe and to ask a question ;)<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Mary Uduma:Chair, please allow Kavouss to speak, please.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Stephanie Perrin:I have ver low bandwidth where I live, and it seems to be the nature o Adobe that when there is a microdrop (one that does not show up enough to show a lost connection flag) my hand will drop
off. <o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Nadira AL-Araj:@Samantha, agree but I was trying to add the agreement aspect.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Ching Chiao:Yes, Kavouss is the next
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:+1 Alan. <o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Ching Chiao:I feel sorry too that Adobe seems to have issue like this
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Stephanie Perrin:So I sympathize with Kavouss, and suggest that he comment in the chat if possible (eg. I am after Alan) because there is no notice of the sudden disappearance<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marilyn Cade:can we hear from Kovouss and others rfrom governnments? They have not yet been heard, and technolocy has defeated us. Ching, you can, as chair, move something up.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Marilyn, he is next. Xavier is answering Alan.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Wale Bakare:it is likely the Adobe Connect since one or two features not appearing for users<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Chig has already said Kavouss turn is after Alan.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Ching Chiao:i m joggling adobe windows here so bare with me ...
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Ching Chiao:yes Kavouss is next
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Mary Uduma:Stephanie, please allow Kavouss to speak. His hand was one of the first I saw as soon as Xiaver finished his presentation.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:I think that is an old hand Stephanie, isn't it?
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Stephanie Perrin:That was an old hand Mary, sorry<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler:(let's use a local blockchain to solve the adobe queue bugs: "I agree that Kavouss why ahead of me")
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Alan Greenberg:Based on my experieince, if we do not allow and EXPECT some rate of failure and not meeting expectations, we will not be using funds well. To be effective overall, we MUST take chances. But
that is not related to a project being approved out of scope.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:+1 Alan<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Can we please focus on the topics?<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:I am sorry but it is 1:00 am for me here<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:There are technical issues for everyone of us, and we all want to hear from you.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Agree Kavouss. No double dipping we called in Australia.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Wale Bakare:That's one of the expectations attributed to wireless service - reliability<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marc Gauw:@Peter: +1<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Kavouss Arasteh: Are we discussing which senario we opt?<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Julf Helsingius:volume is very low<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Stephanie Perrin:I certainly think that option 3 will inevitably be significantly more expensive than option 2, even with nothing going wrong.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Hadia Elminiawi:+1 Peter knowing the costs associated is necessary<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Alan Greenberg:@Kavouss, some people are voicing opinions but we are not formally talking about the choice yet.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Nadira AL-Araj:@Sylvia, regarding the double dipping, if ICANN employes someone to the purpose of this project, then that will eleminate the double dipping.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Manal Ismail:Daniel's voice is very faint ..<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Kavouss Arasteh:If we discuss which option is to be opted I am in favour of senario 2 and I will explain later on why<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Sure @Nadira, but it needs to be clarified. There are universities -for example- that allow something called "salary topping" depending on the funding they raise for university research so they
earn more if they have more projects <o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:So it is better to word it clearly<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler:Alan: not only we can find out of scope issue after the fact, but in some cases, we can't stop them
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Nadira AL-Araj:+1 Sylvia<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Kavouss Arasteh:Senario 4 to be excluded for a clear reason that outsourcing without oversighting is defficient
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marc Gauw:So "Would outsourcing increase the risk of affecting ICANN's tax status if things go bad?" Not necesarily..<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:There is nothing that supports the idea that outsourcing will be more expensive. No evidence or quotes to have that for certain.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marc Gauw:+1<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Kavouss Arasteh:Senario 1 is to reply to ICANN which is not prudent then I opt for hybrid or Seraio 2<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> enoss:I am hoping there is more discussion about these options as I am a strong proponent of 1 and, just given the nature of the information presented, that was not discussed here<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler:Sylvia, I can think of some costs (like training staff to be ICANN missionsavvy) that would be more effectively done within ICANN<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:A lot of donors like WB, ADB, JICA and many Foundations outsource parts of their processes because it is cheaper for them rather than doing it directly<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Nadira AL-Araj:Outsourcing with an experienced organization usually less cost on the long run and even more transparent.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:+1 Nadira<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marc Gauw:@Samantha: That is no problem ! That is covered in the grant agreements !<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Sure @Daniel, but I dont think we can "decide" on a single type or mechanism/arrangement<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:+1 Marc<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marc Gauw:If the grant taking party spents the money out of scope, then they simply should be forced to wire the money back<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Wale Bakare:The option this group would prefer IMHO need to be properly discussed, for decision to be taken by this group.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:No grant agreements can be changed retroactively.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:That will be terrible bad practice<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> enoss:we do not need to CHANGE mission, we just need to be "consistent" with mission<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> enoss:those things are very different and we should not think of that as being too steep a hill<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Stephanie Perrin:To reiterate Elliot's point, the mere fact that the xs show up as no seems to indicate a lack of monitoring and oversight, which is not the case. We already have plenty of mechanisms in the
MS model to achieve oversight. <o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Wale Bakare:Let this sub-group have this page ( Resource Impact )posted on the mailing list for discussions/comments
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> enoss:I must leave. thanks all<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Wale Bakare:then we can decide which options - 1, 2 or 3
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler:I wasn't talking about a change in the ICANN mission but a change in the interpretation (by ICANN) of what is inline, or in service, or whatever, with the mission<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler:(what Xavier is explaining if business as usual for grants: using timesheet, analytical accounting, etc)<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marilyn Cade:WITH APOLOGIES, I AM NOW RETURNED.
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Stephanie Perrin:great, just in time Marilyn!<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler:Are there other criteria to consider that are less quantifiable ? e.g. the willingness of the ICANN community at large to take over another "role"with more staff vs. keep ICANN as small as
possible ?<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Yes @Daniel no need to over complicate things<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler:from the outset, the first choice seems like the one best positioned to control the fiduciary responsibility<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marc Gauw:I can indicate with the current info<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Nadira AL-Araj:Yes, Marika, there could be the combination of the three options based on certain proposed budget
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Please, add your comments to the examples doc. It is quite useful exercise<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Wale Bakare:Would this scenario work - ICANN and the community ( of course, it is subject to individual's expertise as relate to project similar to the Auction Proceeds) work together?<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Xavier Calvez:To be clear, we also have not yet described any model. The scenarios we have described have only been created for the purpose of answering question #7, and a much more comprehensive description
of each model to be able to elect a preference.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Stephanie Perrin:We are unable to figure out the ball park for costs until we have a better idea of scope and size, in my view.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marc Gauw:@Kavouss: it is just a 'indication-check'<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marika Konings:Note that development of models is part of the next phase of the CCWG's work.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:+1 Kavouss. Important to note that the outsourcing costs will be very different depending on the region, the tasks, language support, etc<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler 2:bye bye, I have to run<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Alan Greenberg:Have to go. <o:p>
</o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Kavouss Arasteh:have to go<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Daniel Dardailler 2:(I'll stay on the phone til I start driving ;)<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Stephanie Perrin:We could ascertain rates of outsourced contracts for similar activities (eg same ample size of audit checks, same level of costs)<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Julie Bisland:Reminder: The next CCWG New gTLD Auction Proceeds call will be held on Thursday 19 October 2017 at 14:00 UTC
<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Nadira AL-Araj:Thanks Ching Chiao and all<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:I think the survey needs a bit of work to have questions that really shows opinions or preferences<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Kavouss Arasteh:ranking from accountability point of view only<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Kavouss Arasteh:Further discussion before a new survey<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Kavouss Arasteh:No survey at this point of time<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Manal Ismail:+1 Kavouss further discussion on the mailing list would be useful ..<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Carolina Caeiro:Thanks all<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Thanks Ching for chairing the meeting.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Vanda Scartezini:agree with Sylvia . we can join some effort to formulate some points<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Carolina Caeiro:I have to jump off<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Appreciate your patience and kindness. And also the support from ICANN staff<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Hadia Elminiawi:Thank you all bye<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Julf Helsingius:Thanks everybody!<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Becky Burr:bye all<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Xavier Calvez:Thank you<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Marc Gauw:Bye bye<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Manal Ismail:Thanks Ching, Xavier, Sam, Marika and everyone .. Bye ..<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Sylvia Cadena:Bye everyone<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Ching Chiao:thank you Xavier and Sam<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Ching Chiao:thanks all<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Peter Vergote (ccNSO):Bye all<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Joke Braeken:thank you all. bye<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span class="msoIns"><ins> Mary Uduma:Bye All.<o:p></o:p></ins></span></p>
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