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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks Marilyn for this draft. I think it reads more clearly and fluidly. I think the CoI part can also be worked out as a separate section to make the letter a bit
shorter. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think it will be ideal to have the questions organized into an online form so that input can be easily aggregated and anonymized. The CoI could be a couple of ticks
on that form. That way, the it can just be an email including the forms.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Now, regarding the platform, does ICANN has access to Zoom? We use it a lot for large groups and it is working a lot better than our old Webex and Adiobe Connect too…
maybe worth trying? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, 26 January 2018 at 7:44 am<br>
<b>To: </b>Erika Mann <erika@erikamann.com>, Ching Chiao <ching.chiao@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed agenda new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Meeting - Thursday 25 January at 14.00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I hesitate to send this draft forward, but I want to use it as an example of what I learned, as I tried to streamline and
edit. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I found it very difficult to explain what we wanted, without waving so many scary flags -- we will post everything you say
publicly.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">To anyone employed by an NGO or a foundation, that reads: please consult your legal counsel so you know what you can share
with us.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">We can have Chatham House rules, perhaps? Aggregate all inputs as we do at the IGF consultations, without noting who said
what, but including a list of who posted comments?<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I think we are over thinking this and over doing it. We want to listen to some informal and non binding information that
informs this group.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Can we reconsider how legalistic we need to be to just "learn". <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I did make extensive edits, but I just think we are headed in a direction that is too restrictive and too legalistic. I
wish I had thought of this earlier but it was when I started applying this to my own experience as an NGO Board member for a small NGO, that I started thinking about how this will be received.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="color:black"> Daniel Dardailler <danield@w3.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 25, 2018 8:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Vanda Scartezini<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Marilyn Cade; Marika Konings; ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed agenda new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Meeting - Thursday 25 January at 14.00 UTC</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="color:black">I mostly agree with Marylin. Here's my copy, sorry to be late in
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replying.<br>
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On 2018-01-25 14:30, Vanda Scartezini wrote:<br>
> I just sent my adding sentence to the letter in the first paragraph.<br>
> For what we will use funds are not clear. ( political issues,<br>
> religious… support things that we are against???)I just added one<br>
> small sentence explaining<br>
> <br>
> I agree with Marilyn that looks like even we asking for a favor we<br>
> are hiding something that we do not want the person willing to help<br>
> could know.<br>
> <br>
> _VANDA SCARTEZINI_<br>
> <br>
> _POLO CONSULTORES ASSOCIADOS_<br>
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> <br>
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> _SORRY FOR ANY TYPOS. _<br>
> <br>
> FROM: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on<br>
> behalf of Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com><br>
> DATE: Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 11:22<br>
> TO: 'Marika Konings' <marika.konings@icann.org>,<br>
> "ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org><br>
> SUBJECT: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed agenda new gTLD Auction<br>
> Proceeds CCWG Meeting - Thursday 25 January at 14.00 UTC<br>
> <br>
> I will only be on the first hour of of the call today, due to a<br>
> conflict with an event I need to be at.<br>
> <br>
> Apologies.<br>
> <br>
> However, I will just note that I worked for a major corporation for<br>
> many years, and during that time, I engaged many experts for advice<br>
> for ad hoc activities, NGOs, etc.. Ireviewed the letter and frankly, I<br>
> would NEVER agree to participate in a call with such weirdly<br>
> cautionary language.<br>
> <br>
> It reads like this:<br>
> <br>
> hmmm, you do not now who "we are". We are very special. And, oh by the<br>
> way, don't bother to learn about us. No need!<br>
> <br>
> And, by the way, you should know today whether you might today, or<br>
> ever in the future have a client interested in applying for the<br>
> auction funds, although you do not know the mechanism we will choose,<br>
> or the conditions, etc.<br>
> <br>
> And, oh by the way, we hope you will want to donate your time to give<br>
> us information while we are not clear with you.. and we may sort of<br>
> blackball you if you answer any question in a way that makes "us"<br>
> uncomfortable.<br>
> <br>
> Surely, we can do better than this in how we explain the issue, the<br>
> invitation, and the call for a declaration of interest.<br>
> <br>
> Just as someone the CCWG do not know today if in the future they might<br>
> have a client or be part of an organization that might apply for<br>
> funding, that may be the case for those that are interviewed.<br>
> <br>
> I also note that if you want a senior executive to read a letter -<br>
> make it one page, with attachments.<br>
> <br>
> I'll join as long as I can.<br>
> <br>
> Marilyn<br>
> <br>
> -------------------------<br>
> <br>
> FROM: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on<br>
> behalf of Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org><br>
> SENT: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 12:51 AM<br>
> TO: ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<br>
> SUBJECT: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed agenda new gTLD Auction<br>
> Proceeds CCWG Meeting - Thursday 25 January at 14.00 UTC<br>
> <br>
> Dear All,<br>
> <br>
> Please find below the proposed agenda for the next new gTLD Auction<br>
> Proceeds CCWG meeting which has been scheduled for Thursday 25 January<br>
> at 14.00 UTC. Attached for your review you will find the proposed<br>
> outreach letter for external experts.<br>
> <br>
> Best regards,<br>
> <br>
> Marika<br>
> <br>
> ========================<br>
> <br>
> PROPOSED AGENDA – NEW GTLD AUCTION PROCEEDS CROSS-COMMUNITY WORKING<br>
> GROUP – THURSDAY 25 JANUARY 2018 14.00 UTC<br>
> <br>
> _As a reminder, all conference call details will be circulated on the<br>
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> 1. Roll call<br>
> <br>
> 2. Welcome / DOI & SOI Updates<br>
> <br>
> 3. Review of proposed outreach letter to external experts (see<br>
> attached)<br>
> <br>
> 4. Review of proposed questions for external experts (an updated<br>
> version will be circulated prior to the meeting)<br>
> <br>
> 5. Confirm next meeting<br>
> <br>
> _MARIKA KONINGS_<br>
> <br>
> _Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet<br>
> Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) _<br>
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