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    <p>Hi Erika, Marika and others,</p>
    <p>Thanks Sylvia for your helpful comments about whether AC/SOs are
      eligible to apply for funds and for your comments on the board
      letter.   I too am confused about the Board's comments.  What
      happens is we choose mechanism 2 and the decisions are made by the
      Fund advisor chosen. They are completely independent from the
      Board, would we still need another panel. What happens if in the
      case of Sylvia's second point, the board thinks the choices made
      were poor. <br>
    </p>
    <p>I would seek clarification and ask if we went with Mechanism 2 or
      3 would we still need the Independent review panel? <br>
    </p>
    <p>Also Sylvia brings up very interesting points were the whole
      slate of nominees be rules invalid and we would have to start
      again, or would just one of the grants be ruled invalid and it
      could be assign to the next in line.</p>
    <p>My other concern is when they say that the money is ICANN and if
      ICANN needed it, it could take the money. We have not seen this
      type of language. In all cases, ICANN puts out a notice for
      comment and request views and theoretically of the views come back
      all negative than the thing is not done. Or if it is done at least
      there is a semblance of evidence to show people were consulted and
      advised for it. But to not even ask at all, I have not seen this
      in my 4 years of being involved.</p>
    <p>I think it was a good idea to mention it in the document out for
      public comment as we can hear from the community and I am eager to
      hear what people have to say. I look forward to hearing the
      discussion in Barcelona. I will not be there in person but be on
      the call via the remote participation in the Adobe room</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Judith<br>
    </p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/8/2018 8:12 PM, Sylvia Cadena
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks
            Marika, really appreciate the hard work that went into this.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks
            Erika for including that sentence about the board letter
            that was received recently, I think it was the best way
            forward.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As
            for comments about the board letter, I would like to share
            these:
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As
              the SO/AC’s are legally registered organizations it will
              not be possible for them to pass a due diligence review
              for grant allocation. What normally happens in this type
              of cases is that a legal entity submits a proposal on
              behalf of such group, offering “secretariat support” which
              means they will be ones whose capacity is checked to
              receive and manage a grant, produce reports, etc. If the
              mechanism allows for not-legally registered
              bodies/entities to apply (and be selected for funding
              allocation) then a lot of work has to be done so that the
              selected recipient is able to successfully complete the
              due diligence process. It is not impossible, but the
              alternative path for that group to be able to demonstrate
              that they have the capacity to conduct the work, manage
              the funds and produce reports has to be designed and
              communicated so that it is not seeing as a barrier for
              participation. That might include for example, letters of
              commitment from members of the group to confirm what/how
              they are supporting the work and what skills they have
              (for example someone acting as project manager, someone
              else as treasurer/financial officer, etc), accepting
              financial statements instead of audit reports (as not
              every organization gets audited), and other alternative
              mechanisms. Due diligence is a very important part of the
              process, but one has to remain focus on what the real
              objective is: is allocate the grants to the best possible
              proposals, not to the organizations that can pass the due
              diligence. Being able to respond to the reality of the
              community supported is a really important part of being
              able to support the best projects/ideas. For example, some
              grants programs allow to include the costs of completing a
              legal registration for a community group selected, as part
              of the grant allocation. That leaves a long-term benefit
              for the community and allows for good ideas to be
              discussed/selected, even if they don’t fit all the
              criteria for grant allocation in the first place. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
        </ul>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This
              group and the drafting team before touched on selection
              mechanisms (committees, panels, etc) in the past, although
              probably without enough detail. I don’t think the board
              comment about an independent panel is new, but there are
              still quite a few details for this group to discuss on
              that regard (membership, appointment, terms, rotation). I
              am confused by the way the last part of the letter is
              worded, about what the board will or will not confirm, and
              what will happen then. If the board assess the “slate of
              successful applicants” and considers that the panel did
              not follow the process, then the whole selection might be
              thrown away. I don’t think that will be a fair way to do
              that, as applications were assessed individually, so it
              might be the case that some rules were not fully followed
              for one, and 10 projects are listed, and then. the other 9
              projects are not selected and there will be a cast of
              doubt in each and everyone of the other 9 projects and
              also on the whole committee/panel. What will be the
              acceptable reasons for the board to “reject” a project
              already recommended by the committee/panel really needs to
              be considered, as well as how is that communicated to the
              community. To be honest I would rather have the board
              sending a question back to the CCWG about what might be
              the recommendations from the CCWG about a selection
              process/committee/panel to allow the discussions to flow,
              instead of getting framed already. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
        </ul>
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            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sylvia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
              </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ccwg-auctionproceeds
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"><ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org></a> on behalf
              of Marika Konings <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"><marika.konings@icann.org></a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 9 October 2018 at 8:12 am<br>
              <b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com">"erika@erikamann.com"</a>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com"><erika@erikamann.com></a>, Marilyn Cade
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com"><marilynscade@hotmail.com></a><br>
              <b>Cc: </b>"John R. Levine" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com"><johnl@iecc.com></a>,
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org">"ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"</a>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"><ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org></a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Fwd:
              [CORRESPONDENCE] Request for input from ICANN Board -
              CCWG-AP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Please note that
          the public comment forum is now live at
          <a
href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/new-gtld-auction-proceeds-initial-2018-10-08-en"
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https://www.icann.org/public-comments/new-gtld-auction-proceeds-initial-2018-10-08-en</a>.
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Marika<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
              </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ccwg-auctionproceeds
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"><ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org></a> on behalf
              of Erika Mann <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com"><erika@erikamann.com></a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Monday, October 8, 2018 at 6:01 AM<br>
              <b>To: </b>Marilyn Cade <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com"><marilynscade@hotmail.com></a><br>
              <b>Cc: </b>"John R. Levine" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com"><johnl@iecc.com></a>,
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org">"ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"</a>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"><ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org></a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Fwd:
              [CORRESPONDENCE] Request for input from ICANN Board -
              CCWG-AP</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Thank you all
            for your comments and for the support in allowing us to move
            forward with our agreed approach. I noted all the comments
            and I expect us to have a first exchange about some of the
            topics raised in Barcelona. And, yes, we will have to come
            back to these questions after the public comment period. 
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Hi Marika,
              Emily, Joke - please let us know when the draft
              report/recommendations is published today. <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Erika<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">On Sun, Oct
              7, 2018 at 8:50 PM, Marilyn Cade <<a
                href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">AH, John,
                      thanks for that important clarification. You are
                      quite correct.  I was thinking more
                      "minimalistic", as constituencies, sub levels.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Alan's
                      comments -- I think that is in line with my
                      perspective, Alan. I am checking back with others
                      from the CSG participants, but as this is not
                      urgent, as noted, I think we </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        style="color:black">From:</span></b><span
                      style="color:black"> Alan Greenberg <<a
                        href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>><br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 7, 2018 3:13 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> John R. Levine; Marilyn Cade<br>
                      <b>Cc:</b> <a
                        href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Fwd:
                      [CORRESPONDENCE] Request for input from ICANN
                      Board - CCWG-AP</span>
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                      07/10/2018 11:00 AM, John R. Levine wrote:<br>
                      >>BUT, For later discussion : am not sure
                      what Bd thinks it is saying <br>
                      >>re whether or what funding an SO/AC
                      community can apply. NONE of <br>
                      >>the SO/AC/constituencies are legally
                      affiliated w ICANN.<br>
                      ><br>
                      >I believe the question is whether the SO or AC
                      itself could ask for <br>
                      >money, e.g., the SSAC asks for money to study
                      some security issue or the GNSO<br>
                      >asks for money for some study about
                      perceptions of new TLDs.<br>
                      ><br>
                      >I don't think anyone considers the members of
                      an SO or AC to be <br>
                      >inherently conflicted.<br>
                      ><br>
                      >R's,<br>
                      >John<br>
                      <br>
                      Correct. An AC, SO or SO Council is a creature of
                      the ICANN Bylaws <br>
                      and if it were to apply, it is really ICANN
                      applying. But and ALS for <br>
                      the ALAC or member of the GNSO (through one of its
                      constituent <br>
                      parts), or a ccTLD, could apply.<br>
                      <br>
                      Alan <o:p></o:p></p>
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