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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Just a point of clarification. Although still a considerable amount of money, is now around 70M.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The .web proceeds have not really being part of our deliberations until the legal process is completed, and maybe not even then, with this precedent.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I do support Marilyn’s comment to get on with the job and finish what we started but I really don’t share your views about what defines organizational stability. As that is outside
of the scope of the deliberations of this group, I will not comment any further, so that we can go back to finish what we started, as soon as possible.
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 25 October 2018 at 7:35 am<br>
<b>To: </b>"ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org>, Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] IMPORTANT: INFORMATION CONCERNING THE RESERVE FUND<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">First, as disclosure, the BC, where I am a member, supported the possibility of using some of the Auction Funds for replenishing the Reserve Fund. And, I was a co drafter
and proponent of that BC position. That information is public as I am shown as a co drafter of the BC positions. We were not alone in supporting that possibility, so it is not fair to say that none of the community supported that use of some of the auction
funds. BUT only approx. /roughly just under 50% will come from the Auction Funds, and the rest [close to the same amount] from ICANN org budget... <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Secondly, I am not sure why anyone would propose using funds that are related to a lawsuit. Any attorney worth his/her degree and any business executive would fall over
laughing about the legal issues... <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">However, I think the reference was to the funds reserved for other litigation about new gTLDs, Judith, not the .web funds. But Daniel can offer his own clarification. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ultimately, all of us care most about the stability of the organization and while we may have small differences in some areas,. ,and larger differences in others, first
and foremost, the world is dependent not on how many grants we make, but on the stability of the organization. For now, that means a reserve fund which is about the entire organization.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I prefer to go back to work and quickly advance the public comments about the "models" and then try to advance toward an implementation process/develoment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I don't mean this to sound as negative as it may sound -- but if we get diverted away from our own work, we will deny the benefit of the $100M which can do a lot of good,
once we get a mechanism and then an implementation program in place. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I suspect that a lot of good can be done with $100M, and we haven't even shown that we know how to manage that level of available funds. And if the .web funds become
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">This is only my view. And I hope you will not think that I am looking for a debate. I am not. I will listen, but my purpose in posting was merely to note that if all
of us read all the submissions on replenishment of the Reserve Fund and follow the Budget comments, there has been support for tapping some of the Auction Funds, as well as some who objected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 24, 2018 4:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] IMPORTANT: INFORMATION CONCERNING THE RESERVE FUND</span>
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white">HI Erika,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white">Yes. Like Daniel and Elliott, I do not understand why they cannot use some of the money that was set aside from the .web auction to refill the coffers. If the line was that we are just replenishing what was lost
during the IANA Transition than why not take if from the .web money that was set aside. If for some reason they may find that they need all that money than possibly that could be revisited. I also am interested in learning an answer to Daniel's question<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white">Judith Hellerstein<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white">On 10/24/2018 3:52 PM, Elliot Noss wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white">I find myself terribly angry about this. It makes no sense both because of Daniel’s comment below and because there are other ways towards this. I don’t know that that matters.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white">On Oct 24, 2018, at 6:32 PM, Daniel Dardailler <<a href="mailto:danield@w3.org">danield@w3.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">If the board decides to take funding off the Auction benefits pot, that's their right (and maybe obligation I gather) but I think they should
at least explain why the ~100M set aside for potential legal costs wrt new gTLD was not used instead.<br>
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From the beginning the Auction benefits were labelled as "not for ICANN budget" and replenishing a reserve is clearly a budgetary action, so I'm interested in understanding which constraints on the 100M legal provision mentioned above has been evaluated as
stronger that something as clear as the "not for ICANN budget" attached to the Auctions.<br>
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I'm not trying to revert this ICANN's board decision, I just want to be able to explain the decision made to outsiders.<br>
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On 2018-10-24 13:20, Erika Mann wrote:<br style="orphans:auto;text-align:start;widows:auto;word-spacing:0px">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">*Dear CCWG AP colleagues - *<br>
*Cherine Chalaby asked for a meeting this morning, October 24, to inform me<br>
as CCWG AP Co-Chair about a resolution the Board will pass tomorrow<br>
morning, October 25, concerning the replenishment of the Reserve Fund.<br>
Maarten Botterman attended the meeting and Chris Disspain was present for a<br>
short period at the beginning of the meeting.*<br>
*To replenish the Reserve Fund, the Board resolution will request a<br>
contribution from ICANN ORG on an annual basis (8 years), total $32<br>
Million, and an immediate contribution from Auction Proceed, total $36<br>
Million. These two amounts seen together would replenish the Reserve Fund<br>
(in 8 years) to the agreed height. *<br>
*Cherine was interested in informing us ahead of the decision and I<br>
mentioned, that we were expecting such a move and, as far as this is<br>
concerned, we're not surprised to see the Board passing this resolution<br>
tomorrow and that we do appreciate his approach in informing us ahead of<br>
passing the resolution. *<br>
Reminder:* The* '*Document for Public comment – Replenishment Strategy for<br>
the ICANN Reserve Fund' (open date, March 6th, 2018/closed April 25th,<br>
2018) mentioned the following about the replenishment of the fund in<br>
relation to the topics mentioned above: *<br>
*<a href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann.org%2Fen%2Fsystem%2Ffiles%2Ffiles%2Fproposed-reserve-fund-replenishment-strategy-06mar18-en.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb3b8dad9cce6483e936e08d639ee872e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636760093959036424&sdata=IpmPMTwYEt%2Fsf0gqjTFqVNPexlcy1fE6Rv5d7Ukeup4%3D&reserved=0">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/proposed-reserve-fund-replenishment-strategy-06mar18-en.pdf</a><br>
<<a href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann.org%2Fen%2Fsystem%2Ffiles%2Ffiles%2Fproposed-reserve-fund-replenishment-strategy-06mar18-en.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb3b8dad9cce6483e936e08d639ee872e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636760093959036424&sdata=IpmPMTwYEt%2Fsf0gqjTFqVNPexlcy1fE6Rv5d7Ukeup4%3D&reserved=0">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/proposed-reserve-fund-replenishment-strategy-06mar18-en.pdf</a>>*<br>
*§ Contribution from ICANN Org: Future adopted budgets could be made to<br>
provide a contribution to the Reserve Fund on an annual basis. This would<br>
require ICANN Org to plan each fiscal year for expenses to be lower than<br>
funding by an amount explicitly designated for the purpose of replenishing<br>
the Reserve Fund. Given ICANN’s funding constraints, contributions from<br>
ICANN org to the Reserve Fund replenishment result from a reduced<br>
allocation of ICANN’s resources to its on-going activities, in order to<br>
produce a surplus that is allocated to the Reserve Fund. Such allocation is<br>
and needs to continue being the subject of community engagement and input. *<br>
*§ Auction Proceeds: ICANN currently has US$ 104 million collected from<br>
auctions that were held as the mechanism of last resort to resolve string<br>
contention in the new gTLD program (including investment returns). This<br>
amount excludes US$ 132 million relating to the auction of the .WEB string<br>
net of auction fees *<br>
*Kind regards, *<br>
*Erika *<br>
*Barcelona, October 24, 2018*<br>
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