<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Emily,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you for this.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Both transcripts match my recollection and back up the point I have made that the belief was that a group from the community and not ICANN Org or otherwise would be making the decisions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am not clear where it was decided that it would be some third party, nor do I remember any substantive discussion about what sort of third party could be considered for this. I am not inviting that discussion now, but rather am saying I do not recall it taking place.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Again, thanks.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">EN<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 5, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Emily Barabas <<a href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" class="">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Erika and Elliot,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From the staff side, it is our recollection that the language included in the current draft of the Final Report comes out of the meeting held on 10 April 2019, in which public comments on this topic were discussed (see public comment review template for comments in relation to charter question #3:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138829/Charter%20Question%20%233%20Review%20Template%20-%20updated%205%20April%202019.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1554470220000&api=v2" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138829/Charter%20Question%20%233%20Review%20Template%20-%20updated%205%20April%202019.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1554470220000&api=v2</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>). Notes and recordings from that meeting are available at: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/rxZIBg" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://community.icann.org/x/rxZIBg</a>. The transcript is here:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2019/transcript/transcript-new-gtld-auction-proceeds-10apr19-en.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2019/transcript/transcript-new-gtld-auction-proceeds-10apr19-en.pdf</a>.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The action coming out of that discussion is further elaborated in CCWG agreement #18 here:<a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138829/new%20gTLD%20AP%20CCWG%20Agreements%20-%20updated%206%20June%202019.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1560325341000&api=v2" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138829/new%20gTLD%20AP%20CCWG%20Agreements%20-%20updated%206%20June%202019.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1560325341000&api=v2</a>, which resulted in the following text in the draft Final Report:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="" class="">“<span style="background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Regardless of which mechanism is chosen, an independent evaluation panel would be established and responsible for the review and evaluation of applications. Neither the Board nor staff will be taking decisions on individual applications but will instead focus its consideration of the slate on whether the rules of the process were followed by the independent panel. However, due care will need to be given during the implementation phase that safeguards are in place to ensure the independence of the members of the independent evaluation panel.”</span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Kind regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Emily<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Erika Mann <<a href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">erika@erikamann.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, 5 August 2019 at 17:38<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Elliot Noss <<a href="mailto:enoss@tucows.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">enoss@tucows.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Emily Barabas <<a href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>>, Ccwg-auctionproceeds <<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[Ext] Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] notes and action items from the CCWG Auction Proceeds meeting on Wed, 31 July 2019 (14 UTC).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I assume that this can be done Elliot. I will check with Marika, Emily and Joke to see how this this can be done. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Erika<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 5:34 PM Elliot Noss <<a href="mailto:enoss@tucows.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">enoss@tucows.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">For clarity, I wasn’t questioning the meaning but rather correcting the record. Apologies if this came out otherwise.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I would be very interested in transcripts of discussions where this was moved on from if it is not too much trouble. Thanks.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">EN<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:23 AM, Erika Mann <<a href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">erika@erikamann.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">Elliot - well, you have been absent too during rounds of discussions and we moved on. In all fairness, we're re-engaging with his topic because you requested it and we're doing it therefore. Let's focus on the future and let's try to solve the remaining issues and let's not start to question the meaning behind individual sentences.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">Thank you, </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">Erika</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 5:11 PM Elliot Noss <<a href="mailto:enoss@tucows.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">enoss@tucows.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I STRONGLY reject this being presented as “recent”:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">"In recent CCWG discussions, some members have advocated…..”.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I have been clear and unequivocal in my view on this since the CCWG first met. Most often, most participants were supportive of this when raised. Vocally and regularly.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Numerous times this has been taking off the table when documents are prepared and then presented as new when I re-raise it. This has now happened too many times for me to be comfortable. To me, this has been in front of the ICANN board members of the CCWG for nearly two years with no pushback. This is the obvious model. It is the one used by CIRA and SIDN and Nominet. It is used by Nominet, iirc, after they tried third parties and moved away from them. We have heard this presented by their experts. A long time ago. With us asking questions over multiple sessions.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I would like to be clearly on the record. This has always been on the table. It has always been supported by most voices in the CCWG and some people are uncomfortable with it. I respect that.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">A method for resolving this point need be established. We could have had straw man polls that would have determined it many times already. It should have been settled over a year ago. It seems to me that the process is looking for a means of killing it by excluding it from documents and looking for technicalities (the board won’t allow it). Let’s have a straightforward discussion on this point and settle it.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Independence in this case is independence from submissions asking for money. That is simply not a high bar.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">(And I am a bit crusty this morning after going through another round of “you support nazis……” with the recent 8 chan nonsense so apologies if the above is harsh)<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">EN<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Emily Barabas <<a href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dear all,<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As a follow-up to action item 1 from the call on 31 July, the following question has been sent on behalf of the CCWG to the ICANN Board for consideration:<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In recent CCWG discussions, some members have advocated for a model in which a panel of ICANN community members evaluates funding applications and selects recipients for funding. From the perspective of these members, it is possible for a panel to be comprised of ICANN community members and also be completely independent. This continues to be a topic that the CCWG is considering with different members expressing different views. Is the ICANN Board willing to consider the possibility of a panel comprised of community members, taking into consideration legal and fiduciary responsibilities and conflict of interest requirements?<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Kind regards,<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Emily<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Ccwg-auctionproceeds <<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org</span></a>> on behalf of Joke Braeken <<a href="mailto:joke.braeken@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">joke.braeken@icann.org</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, 31 July 2019 at 18:49<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ccwg-auctionproceeds <<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] notes and action items from the CCWG Auction Proceeds meeting on Wed, 31 July 2019 (14 UTC).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Hello All.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Please find included below the notes and action items from the CCWG Auction Proceeds meeting on Wed, 31 July 2019 (14 UTC).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Best regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Joke Braeken<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica; background-color: white;" class="">These high-level notes are designed to help the CCWG navigate through the content of the call and are not meant as a substitute for the transcript and/or recording. The MP3, transcript, and chat are provided separately and are posted on the wiki at:</span><span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/CWGONGAP/2019+Meetings" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">https://community.icann.org/display/CWGONGAP/2019+Meetings</span></a><span style="background-color: white;" class="">.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica; background-color: white;" class="">ACTION ITEMS</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><b class="">#1:<span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; vertical-align: baseline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Leadership team to formulate - as soon as possible - a question to the Board, asking whether the Board could consider a situation where the evaluation would be done by community members, and potentially outside efforts<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><b class="">#2:<span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; vertical-align: baseline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Small group to be set up, to clarify the criteria for independence. Stepped forward: Marylin Cade, Maureen Hilyard, Vanda Scartezini, Ching Chiao, Thato Mfikwe, Alan Greenberg, Jonathan Robinson, Elliot Noss<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><b class="">#3:<span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; vertical-align: baseline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Erika and Alan to look into the question whether we can strengthen the role of the community further, beyond whether what Alan and Erika originally envisaged, and based on the feedback received during the public comment period.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><b class="">#4:<span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; vertical-align: baseline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">clarifications to be provided to ICANN Board liaisons<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><ul type="circle" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Alan and Erika to clean up the current text. See action item #3.<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Leadership team with support from staff will review the accountability / review mechanisms, incl. audit. See how they overlap with the proposal, if at all<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><b class="">#5:<span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; vertical-align: baseline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">CCWG members are encouraged to review Sam’s memo ahead of the next meeting.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><b class="">#6:<span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; vertical-align: baseline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Sam will revise the memo about the individual appeal. Alan, possibly other community members will weigh in over email regarding Sam’s proposal<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica; background-color: white;" class="">NOTES</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><ol start="1" type="1" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 12pt 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><b class="">Welcome/Agenda Review/SOI Updates</b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ol><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica; background-color: white;" class="">No roll call. Attendance will be taken from the zoom room. Please remember to mute your microphones when not speaking and state your name before speaking for transcription purposes.</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; vertical-align: baseline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">2.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Next Steps Regarding Selection of Recommended Mechanism(s)</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">4 mechanisms were created: looking at various scenarios that are already available, and pick the best. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">A: inhouse model<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">B: inhouse + other entity<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">C: foundation<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">D: fund outsourced to other entity<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">D was ruled out, C was favoured less.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Public comment: quite a few comments favoured C. Different concerns raised about independence. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Erika favours to recommend only 1 single mechanism, and to make a recommendation to the board. Alternatively, we could make a hierarchy and present it to the Board.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Once a decision about the mechanism was taken, the next group needs to do the work on how this shall function. To help them, we have established guidelines: They formulate some principles.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">You can find the graphics here:<span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/CWGONGAP/Graphics" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);" class="">https://community.icann.org/display/CWGONGAP/Graphics</span></a> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "MS Gothic";" class="">
</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">And the summary of inputs from ICANN Board and Org are here:<span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/CWGONGAP/FAQs" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);" class="">https://community.icann.org/display/CWGONGAP/FAQs</span></a> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Emily runs through the e-mail sent by Joke to the list, on behalf of the co-chairs. Summary of the main topics:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><i class="">Independence</i><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Topic discussed a lot in the past, and also the Board and ICANN Org provided input. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">See Q&A, 2 graphics as shared in Marrakech (division responsibilities & common characteristics)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><i class="">Role independent panel? who would sit on this panel?</i><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">ICANN Board spoke already about this. Info included in the FAQ, and recent email exchanges from Board Liaisons to the group<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><i class="">Relevant costs linked to implementing the mechanisms</i><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">See email sent to ICANN org<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><i class="">Mechanism D and differences with B</i><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Mechanism D was taken off the table. Leadership team does not want to re-open the discussion<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Role of the ICANN community<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">As part of the agenda for today. Proposal by Alan and Erika<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Alan:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Focusing too much on the names of the mechanisms, instead of on the substance, on the characteristics. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">If we have a foundation, what are the criteria to make sure it is indeed independent? <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Elliot:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Critical comments on the view of the CCWG. they assumed ICANN org to take the decisions. However, Independent panel composed by the community. Seems there is strong consensus with the CCWG for mechanism A where the independent panel is ICANN community. That would require a level of independence both operationally, and in terms of COI (similar to NomCom). Suggests to focus on that view.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Judith:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">If we outsource, and take into account what the Board has said, there is not much difference between A and B<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Becky:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">No follow-up conversations happened so far with the rest of the Board.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Independence issue: the Board finds it absolutely critical that the panel that evaluates and selects winners and losers must be completely independent. Indepent of ICANN org, the Board, and the vested interests in the community itself. Board has fiduciary obligations and needs to ensure ICANN stays within its mission. Administrative tasks for ICANN Board. Community has a big role in talking about the priorities, the training for the independent panel etc. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Jonathan:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Conflict between Becky and Elliot his view?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Elliot thinks what Becky says is correct. It does not contradict his view of community involvement. A community group is scoring and choosing proposals. There should be no COI with those proposals. Principles of independence should apply. As an example: how NomCom deals with conflicts.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Members of the community group can help promote, but step out as soon as there is a COI.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Becky:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">NomCom is not independent, in the sense that its members are drawn from the various parts of the community, including people who are very active in ICANN processes, and have vested interests in outcomes<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Erika:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Community is stretched thin. High workload. Either the community is the evaluator, or the community has an oversight function. Latter is more appropriate in Erika’s view. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Becky:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">The Board sees a very important role for the community. However, icann community members in the selection and evaluation panel makes independence extremely difficult to achieve. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Role of the community is critical, in an advisory Board. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Alan:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Evaluation the applications should be done by professionals. Concerns relying on a volunteer force.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Summary by Erika:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Evaluation by community members, and potentially outside efforts: is the Board going to even consider this option? If not, it is clear what we need to do.<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Bigger role of the community (Alan was working on a proposal) Can we strengthen the model of the current advisory panel and the overall role of the community. <span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">We need to review the criteria of what we refer to as independence. To be included in the guidelines. E.g. PTI Board, is not completely independent. Whatever Board will be constructed (A and C), the role of the completely independent Board members will be higher than the role of potential ICANN Board members who sit on this Board too.<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Action items:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">#1: Evaluation by community members, and potentially outside efforts: is the Board going to even consider this option? Leadership team to formulate a question to the Board, asap.<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">#2: Small group to be set up, to clarify the criteria for independence.<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">#3: Question whether we can strengthen the role of the community further, beyond whether what Alan and erika envisages, and based on the feedback received during the public comment period.<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; vertical-align: baseline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">2.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Proposal – Role of the Community (see attached updated draft Final Report – pages 21-22)</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Proposal presented by Alan, that stands regardless of what the selection panel is.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">What mechanism do we use, once the programme is running, to make sure the programme stays on track? Mid-course corrections might be needed. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Called an “Advisory Board”. Some say it is a working group, or a committee. Arbitrary name.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Role of the Advisory Board (AB):<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Consist of people nominated by SO/ACs. ASO or SSAC might not have a lot of interest, so maybe a subset of the SO/ACs<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Primary function is to do an annual review, starting in year 2. Looking at what projects were approved, how does it map with what we envisaged, are the projects successful?<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">The group could report to the ICANN Board, the mechanism itself, and to the ICANN community.<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Programme Evaluation Panel (PEP):<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">See organisational reviews. Done every 3 years<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Taking input from Advisory Board and others. Are major shifts needed? Do we need to change the mechanism?<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Project Evaluation Panel (PEP) = Group doing the actual selection<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Assessment = determine how well the projects are working<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Why are both AB and PEP needed?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">One is on an annual basis, looking at a low level. Minor changes, tweaks. The first group will act as a sounding board to the PEP. The second group is looking at matters at a much higher level. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Erika:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">asking for confirmation from the group about whether this proposal is something that could be supported by the group in principle. No comments were raised. the group would keep the conversation going.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Becky:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Understands the different roles. But if things are going drastically wrong, the AB would notice that. And that might be the trigger for a different process. Concern why we need both the AB and the PEP. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">The AB would be able to interact with the independent evaluation panel and provide input in midst of evaluation: that is extremely worrisome. Inappropriate for the AB to develop the materials that go out to applicants. Training etc for those doing the evaluation.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Extreme danger of affecting outcome of processes in an ad hoc way, which raises the potential for disputes. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Maureen:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">2 evaluation groups, that increases the potential for conflict. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Alan:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Interaction between evaluation group and advisory Board: From the discussion in Marrakech, a proposal was raised where the PEP could bring a specific project to AB and ask for opinions. This raised strong red flags.<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Can the evaluators ask for clarifications somewhere? That is what we were looking into<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Instead of a 3-year review, having it triggered by the AB<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Becky:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Role of an audit. We need to understand the full range of accountability things that are going on here. We cannot have an audit doing the same thing that the programme evaluation panel would be doing<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Erika:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Review cycle. Audit is part of it<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Action item:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">#4: clarifications to be provided to ICANN Board liaisons<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><ul type="circle" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Alan and Erika to clean up the current text. <span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Leadership team with support from staff will review the accountability / review mechanisms, incl. Audit. See how they overlap with the proposal, if at all<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Erika:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">No operational audit at ICANN. Financial audit ICANN does have<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; vertical-align: baseline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">3.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <span class="gmail-m-8642028062264572387gmail-m-5630808288012805apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Discussion of Individual Appeal Mechanism (see attached memo from ICANN Legal) </span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Introduction by Sam:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">If there were to be a separate appeals process, it would have to be simple. Other grant making organisations have also a lightweight process. Appeals are not about the individual judgement of the panel. It needs to be based on certain grounds. E.g. improper criteria applied, lack of compliance with published process, COI etc.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Do not allow individual grant applicants, and they should not use ICANN’s accountability mechanisms. What will give them a chance to challenge decisions? Due process?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Action items:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">#5: Group members are invited to review Sam’s memo ahead of the next meeting.<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Alan:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Who does it go to?<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">Applicant to receive rationale for rejection of an application?<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Sam: <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Final appeals process needs to match with the process we have. Maybe not all grounds would apply. Who the evaluator is? These are appeals to the panel itself, or a person that oversees the panel. It is at the implementation level. How is the panel administered? A person responsible for coordinating the work by the panel? Into the panel decision making process.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Action items: <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline;">#6: Sam will revise the proposal about the individual appeal. 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