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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we discussed some time ago about the promotional and communications support activities like the ones Sam is mentioning. If those discussions didn’t find their way to the report it will be good to review that, although it will be
better to do it on a separate thread from the appeals mechanism. I think some of the external experts also touched on that when they talk about set up. If I remember correctly we talked about how the application process should have detailed guidelines to help
people prepare, be done with enough time, etc. However, I think we didn’t went into a lot of detail, thinking that was part of an implementation phase outside of the scope of the CCWG. In any case, I think this is a good point to make.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">Sylvia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Sylvia Cadena | APNIC Foundation - Head of Programs | sylvia@apnic.net |
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Sam Lanfranco <sam@lanfranco.net><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 20 August 2019 at 4:51 am<br>
<b>To: </b>Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org>, "ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review - updated proposal for individual appeals mechanism<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">I too am in agreement with setting explicit boundaries on what can and cannot be appealed and how that process would work.
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">I would like to add one more suggestion as food for thought. If we want to broaden the playing field for potential applicants, ICANN might want to provide either an online self-learning module, or a set of webcasts (archived) for
an orientation and training process for organizations considering applying for funding. I put this on the table as food for thought because I have seen too many poorly constructed proposals coming from areas where there is intense need but areas where organizations
lack the skills to draft an appropriate proposal. For a while I was the head of the board of an organization that "farmed out" its World Bank proposal expert to help organizations less familiar with the details of a good proposal. I would hate to see this
pool of funding go mainly to the "same old same old" organizations, only because they had a competitive advantage in proposal writing. ---- Food for thought ---.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">Sam Lanfranco <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">On 8/19/2019 12:54 PM, Marika Konings wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Thank you all for your input. Hereby the current language of the draft Final Report which already addressed the point of the existing accountability mechanism with added in bold and brackets new language which
aims to reflect the input received to date:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><i><span style="color:black">The CCWG discussed whether an appeals mechanism should be available for applicant not selected
<s>and/</s>but agreed that [<b>this would create a level of complexity that was deemed not desirable or necessary, after having reviewed how other organizations deal with appeals. Instead, it is the expectation that applicants not selected would receive feedback
as part of the response to their application outlining the reasons for why their application was not selected. Also, in the context of the regular review of the mechanisms, both selected applicants and non-selected applicants should be invited to participate
and provide any feedback they may have on how the program can be further improved].
</b>The CCWG did agree that appropriate measures should be taken that would exclude applicants from using ICANN accountability measures such as IRP. The reason for this recommendation is that the Board decision in this context would be in relation to the disbursement
of funds based on the recommendations of the independent evaluation panel and not as a result of the ICANN’s Board assessment of an individual application. This should not necessarily prevent applicants from seeking redress through other means as defined by
the mechanism responsible for disbursement of auction proceeds. </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><i><span style="color:black"> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><i><span style="color:black">CCWG Recommendation #NEW: Applicants should not have access to ICANN accountability mechanisms such as IRP to challenge a decision from the independent evaluation panel to not approve
their application, but applicants [<b>not selected should receive feedback as part of the response to their application outlining the reasons for why their application was not selected]</b>
<s>have a mechanism available that allows them to provide additional clarifications to the independent evaluation panel or flag if it is believed that something in the application was misunderstood or missed</s>. </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">This will be on the agenda for Wednesday’s meeting so if you have any concerns about the proposed edits, please share these in advance of Wednesday’s meeting.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Marika<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ccwg-auctionproceeds <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org">
<ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org></a> on behalf of Alan Greenberg <a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">
<alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, August 19, 2019 at 10:22<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org">"ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"</a>
<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"><ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org></a>, Becky Burr
<a href="mailto:BBurr@hwglaw.com"><BBurr@hwglaw.com></a>, Judith Hellerstein <a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com">
<judith@jhellerstein.com></a>, <a href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com">"erika@erikamann.com"</a>
<a href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com"><erika@erikamann.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>John R Levine <a href="mailto:johnl@taugh.com"><johnl@taugh.com></a>, <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org">
"ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"</a> <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org">
<ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review - updated proposal for individual appeals mechanism</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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My recollection is that we were pretty clear that the existing accountabilty mechanisms would not apply, and that it is possible that a fundamental Bylaw change would be required to do that.<br>
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Alan<br>
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Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">On August 19, 2019 12:05:18 PM EDT, Becky Burr
<a href="mailto:BBurr@hwglaw.com"><BBurr@hwglaw.com></a> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">It will be particularly important that the final report be clear that the CCWG does not believe that ICANN’s existing accountability mechanisms (ombuds, Reconsiderations, or IRP) should be available to challenge an adverse grant decision. Those mechanisms are not well suited to this kind of situation.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"><ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org></a> on behalf of Judith Hellerstein <a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com"><judith@jhellerstein.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Date: Saturday, August 17, 2019 at 9:14 PM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">To: Erika Mann <a href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com"><erika@erikamann.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Cc: John R Levine <a href="mailto:johnl@taugh.com"><johnl@taugh.com></a>, CCWG Auction Proceeds <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"><ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review - updated proposal for individual appeals mechanism<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Hi Erika<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">I agree as well. Sylvia made some excellent points. While I like the idea of an appeals process I can see that it adds an extra layer of complexity to the grant process<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Best<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Judith<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><a href="mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com">Judith@jhellerstein.com</a><a href="mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com"><mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Skype ID:Judithhellerstein<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">On Aug 17, 2019, at 7:23 AM, Erika Mann <<a href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com">erika@erikamann.com</a><a href="mailto:erika@erikamann.com"><mailto:erika@erikamann.com></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">I believe we have an agreement ... though we had such an agreement before but then Sam thought we should reconsider our understanding ... hopefully we can put this item to rest now.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Erika<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">On Aug 17, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Marilyn Cade <<a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a><a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com"><mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Wow, are we seeing "general" support for no appeal mechanism?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Perhaps we can put this sort of to 'bed'?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Add something in our documentation - discussed extensively; considered; recommend that an appeal mechanism is not needed, and would add unneeded complexity, and include a paragraph of explanation, so that in the public comment process, the community commenting feels fully informed?<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org">ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org</a><a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"><mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org></a>> on behalf of Vanda Scartezini <<a href="mailto:vanda@scartezini.org">vanda@scartezini.org</a><a href="mailto:vanda@scartezini.org"><mailto:vanda@scartezini.org></a>><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 12:12 AM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">To: Rudolph Daniel <<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a><a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com"><mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com></a>><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Cc: John R Levine <<a href="mailto:johnl@taugh.com">johnl@taugh.com</a><a href="mailto:johnl@taugh.com"><mailto:johnl@taugh.com></a>>; CCWG Auction Proceeds <<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"><mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org></a>><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review - updated proposal for individual appeals mechanism<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Make sense to me too. I was against an appeal as I said early on since that is the way all R&D grants here works and the independent panel and their report make the not appeal alternative accountable to the society. Not having appellation makes the process quicker allowing the start up of the projects while it makes sense due the development of the technology in the ICT field as is the case of DNS related issues<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Vanda Scartezini<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Sorry for any typos and misspellings<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">On 17 Aug 2019, at 00:02, Rudolph Daniel <<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a><a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com"><mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">"That being said, grant applicants, both accepted and rejected, should be requested to fill out a survey with their input being used for the annul review of the program."<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">End quote.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">This makes a lot of sense to me, given the the independent nature of the grant process being tabled.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">The strength of the selection process should be of sufficient integrity to forgo the additional cost of an appeals procedure which could be quite detrimental to the expected outcome and purpose of the grants.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">My view currently is to stay away from appeal procedures of all kinds; and fine tune the mechanisms to ensure that grant awards stay well within pre established control lines. There are already review mechanisms, designed to keep the process in line with ICANN's mission and purpose. I am thinking that in the context of an independent body, and the relative size of the fund, and the advice of others on this d list, no appeal process is going to be "very light weight" .<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">I think, we should keep it out of the equation if at all possible. Each funding call should be drafted with this in mind...<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">RD<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 22:21 Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a><a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca"><mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">I agree with John. I do not think that we should have an appeal<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">process. That being said, if we MUST have one it should:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">- be VERY light weight;<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">- there must be VERY tight time requirements for submission<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">- go to the manager of the selection group with the final result being final;<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">- the final result being the project is accepted or still rejected.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Specifically, there should be no "reason" given (as has recently been<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">suggested).<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Note that we may end up rejecting perfectly good projects. But they<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">may not, in the view of the evaluators, have a sufficiently high<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">benefit:cost ration. Or we may simply have used up all of our funds<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">for that period on projects that were better!<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">As John mentions, cost is an issue. If there is an appeal process,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">and the cost is minimal or zero, it will be used by pretty much<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">everyone who is rejected, significantly increasing the cost of the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">program with little positive outcome.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">That being said, grant applicants, both accepted and rejected, should<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">be requested to fill out a survey with their input being used for the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">annul review of the program.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Alan<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">At 16/08/2019 09:46 PM, John R Levine wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Are we going to just ignore the input from people who actually run<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">such grant making organizations @Sylvia<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Cadena<<a href="mailto:sylvia@apnic.net">mailto:sylvia@apnic.net</a><a href="mailto:sylvia@apnic.net"><mailto:sylvia@apnic.net></a>> has weighed in on this with some<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">factual statements that we seem to have just glossed over?<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">I am a trustee of the Internet Society, where we have recently set up<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">an actual captive grant making foundation with no appeal process, so<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">no, we are not. It's a bad idea.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">R's,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">John<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">At 15/08/2019 09:32 AM, John R Levine wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Following on from the last CCWG call and the input received on the individual<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">appeals mechanism, please find attached an updated proposal for your review.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Please share any comments, concerns or suggestions you may have in advance of<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">the next CCWG meeting which has been scheduled for Wednesday 21 August.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">It's OK to have an appeal process but this leaves some rather important<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">questions open, e.g.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">* Who pays for the appeal? Is it like UDRP where the parties split<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">the cost, or<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">is it all ICANN?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">* I expect that no matter what we say, most appeals will in fact be applicants<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">who are unhappy that they didn't get funded. Is there a way to dispose of<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">obviously bogus appeals efficiently? Obviously bogus means things like not<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">identifying any process failure other than saying no.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">Regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:36.0pt">John Levine, <a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com">johnl@iecc.com</a><a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com"><mailto:johnl@iecc.com></a>, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet<o:p></o:p></pre>
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