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    <p>HI All,</p>
    <p>Are we removing the first paragraph and just keeping the second. 
      I found the first paragraph a bit confusing. The second is clear
      and crisp</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Judith<br>
    </p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/23/2019 3:23 PM, Maureen Hilyard
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I agree to remove because as Marilyn has mentioned,
        it seems to conflict with the consensus opinion of our recent
        discussion on this issue. </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 9:10
          AM Becky Burr <<a href="mailto:BBurr@hwglaw.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">BBurr@hwglaw.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I
          would remove it.<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          J. Beckwith Burr<br>
          <br>
          HARRIS, WILTSHIRE & GRANNIS LLP<br>
          <br>
          1919 M Street NW/8th Floor<br>
          <br>
          Washington DC 20036<br>
          <br>
          202.730.1316 (P) 202.352.6367 (M)<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          ________________________________<br>
          From: Marika Konings <<a
            href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">marika.konings@icann.org</a>><br>
          Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 2:06:27 PM<br>
          To: Becky Burr<br>
          Cc: Becky Burr; Marilyn Cade; <a
            href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
          Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] [Ext] Re: For your review
          - updated language in relation to individual appeals mechanism<br>
          <br>
          Both paragraphs would be included - the second is the actual
          recommendation. If you and others think this sentence could be
          interpreted to mean that despite the CCWG’s recommendation the
          mechanism could still establish an individual appeals process,
          maybe it is best to remove it?<br>
          <br>
          Best regards,<br>
          <br>
          Marika<br>
          <br>
          > On 23 Aug 2019, at 09:43, Becky Burr <<a
            href="mailto:BBurr@hwglaw.com" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">BBurr@hwglaw.com</a>> wrote:<br>
          ><br>
          > Will both paragraphs be included or just the second?  If
          both, what does this sentence mean: "This should not
          necessarily prevent applicants from seeking redress through
          other means as defined by the mechanism responsible for
          disbursement of auction proceeds."<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > Does this mean the independent evaluation panel would be
          permitted to create redress mechanisms?  Is that what is
          intended?<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > J. Beckwith Burr<br>
          ><br>
          > HARRIS, WILTSHIRE & GRANNIS LLP<br>
          ><br>
          > 1919 M Street NW/8th Floor<br>
          ><br>
          > Washington DC 20036<br>
          ><br>
          > 202.730.1316 (P) 202.352.6367 (M)<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > ________________________________<br>
          > From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <<a
            href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org</a>>
          on behalf of Marika Konings <<a
            href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">marika.konings@icann.org</a>><br>
          > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 10:50:50 AM<br>
          > To: Becky Burr; Marilyn Cade<br>
          > Cc: <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
          > Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] [Ext] Re: For your
          review - updated language in relation to individual appeals
          mechanism<br>
          ><br>
          > Thanks all for your input. The updated language would
          read as follows:<br>
          ><br>
          > The CCWG discussed whether an appeals mechanism should be
          available for applicant not selected and/but agreed that this
          would create a level of complexity that was deemed not
          desirable or necessary, after having reviewed how other
          organizations deal with appeals. Instead, it is the
          expectation that applicants not selected [should receive
          further details about where information can be found about the
          next round of applications as well as any educational
          materials that may be available to assist applicants]. would
          receive feedback as part of the response to their application
          outlining the reasons for why their application was not
          selected. Also, in the context of the regular review of the
          mechanisms, both selected applicants and non-selected
          applicants should be invited to participate and provide any
          feedback they may have on how the program can be further
          improved. The CCWG did agree that appropriate measures should
          be taken that would exclude applicants from using ICANN
          accountability measures such as IRP. The reason for this
          recommendation is that the Board decision in this [any review]
          context would be in relation to the [overall program’s]
          disbursement of funds based on the recommendations of the
          independent evaluation panel and not as a result of the
          ICANN’s Board assessment of an individual application. This
          should not necessarily prevent applicants from seeking redress
          through other means as defined by the mechanism responsible
          for disbursement of auction proceeds.<br>
          > CCWG Recommendation #NEW: Applicants should not have
          access to ICANN accountability mechanisms such as IRP to
          challenge a decision from the independent evaluation panel to
          not approve their application, but applicants not selected
          [should receive further details about where information can be
          found about the next round of applications as well as any
          educational materials that may be available to assist
          applicants].  [not selected should receive feedback as part of
          the response to their application outlining the reasons for
          why their application was not selected].<br>
          > Best regards,<br>
          ><br>
          > Marika<br>
          ><br>
          > From: Becky Burr <<a
            href="mailto:becky.burr@board.icann.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">becky.burr@board.icann.org</a>><br>
          > Date: Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 11:36<br>
          > To: Marilyn Cade <<a
            href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>><br>
          > Cc: "<a href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a>"
          <<a href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a>>,
          Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">marika.konings@icann.org</a>>,
          "<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a>"
          <<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a>><br>
          > Subject: [Ext] Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review
          - updated language in relation to individual appeals mechanism<br>
          ><br>
          > agree with Marilyn's proposed changes<br>
          ><br>
          > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:25 PM Marilyn Cade <<a
            href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a><mailto:<a
            href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>>>
          wrote:<br>
          > Agreeing with Maarten.<br>
          > If people can misunderstand, they will! It is just human
          nature, made more complex by multiple languages.<br>
          ><br>
          > 🙂<br>
          > I am going a little further with a slight adjustment to
          the present language/but it is only a<br>
          > POSSIBLE REVISION: HIGHLIGHTED/AND IN CAPS. Deletions in
          [ ].<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > The reason for this recommendation is that the Board
          decision in [this] ANY REVIEW context would be in relation to
          the OVERALL PROGRAM'S disbursement of funds based on the
          recommendations of the independent evaluation panel<br>
          ><br>
          > ________________________________<br>
          > From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <<a
            href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org</a><mailto:<a
            href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org</a>>>
          on behalf of <a
            href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a><mailto:<a
            href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a>>
          <<a href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a><mailto:<a
            href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a>>><br>
          > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:40 AM<br>
          > To: 'Marika Konings' <<a
            href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">marika.konings@icann.org</a><mailto:<a
            href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">marika.konings@icann.org</a>>><br>
          > Cc: <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><mailto:<a
            href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a>>
          <<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><mailto:<a
            href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a>>><br>
          > Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review -
          updated language in relation to individual appeals mechanism<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > Dear Marika,<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > Just to avoid new confusion, it may be good to be crisp
          clear in your text that neither Board nor Org will be
          evaluating and making determinations on individual
          applications, this is the role of the Independent Panel.<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > When you say below:<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > The reason for this recommendation is that the Board
          decision in this context would be in relation to the
          disbursement of funds based on the recommendations of the
          independent evaluation panel and not as a result of the
          ICANN’s Board assessment of an individual application.<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > It may happen that people who have not intensely followed
          the process *could* get the impression that the Board would
          assess individual applications, and we will not.<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > Thanks<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > Maarten<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <<a
            href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org</a><mailto:<a
            href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org</a>>>
          On Behalf Of Marika Konings<br>
          > Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2019 23:42<br>
          > To: <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><mailto:<a
            href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a>><br>
          > Subject: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review - updated
          language in relation to individual appeals mechanism<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > Dear CCWG,<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > Thanks all for your input and suggestions in relation to
          the proposed language concerning the individual appeals
          mechanism. Hereby for your review updated language (in bold
          and brackets) which aims to reflect the input received during
          today’s meeting. As also noted, staff will review the latest
          draft of the report and insert in the appropriate place
          implementation guidance that would recommend that appropriate
          informational materials are developed and provided to assist
          applicants. If you have any further comments, concerns or
          suggestions, please share these by Friday 23 August at the
          latest.<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > Proposed text for inclusion in the Final Report in
          relation to an individual appeals mechanism:<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > The CCWG discussed whether an appeals mechanism should be
          available for applicant not selected and/but agreed that this
          would create a level of complexity that was deemed not
          desirable or necessary, after having reviewed how other
          organizations deal with appeals. Instead, it is the
          expectation that applicants not selected [should receive
          further details about where information can be found about the
          next round of applications as well as any educational
          materials that may be available to assist applicants]. would
          receive feedback as part of the response to their application
          outlining the reasons for why their application was not
          selected. Also, in the context of the regular review of the
          mechanisms, both selected applicants and non-selected
          applicants should be invited to participate and provide any
          feedback they may have on how the program can be further
          improved. The CCWG did agree that appropriate measures should
          be taken that would exclude applicants from using ICANN
          accountability measures such as IRP. The reason for this
          recommendation is that the Board decision in this context
          would be in relation to the disbursement of funds based on the
          recommendations of the independent evaluation panel and not as
          a result of the ICANN’s Board assessment of an individual
          application. This should not necessarily prevent applicants
          from seeking redress through other means as defined by the
          mechanism responsible for disbursement of auction proceeds.<br>
          ><br>
          > CCWG Recommendation #NEW: Applicants should not have
          access to ICANN accountability mechanisms such as IRP to
          challenge a decision from the independent evaluation panel to
          not approve their application, but applicants not selected
          [should receive further details about where information can be
          found about the next round of applications as well as any
          educational materials that may be available to assist
          applicants].  [not selected should receive feedback as part of
          the response to their application outlining the reasons for
          why their application was not selected].<br>
          ><br>
          > Best regards,<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > Marika<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > Marika Konings<br>
          ><br>
          > Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO,
          Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)<br>
          ><br>
          > Email: <a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">marika.konings@icann.org</a><mailto:<a
            href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">marika.konings@icann.org</a>><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO<br>
          ><br>
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