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<p>HI Alan,</p>
<p>Apparently Marika said that we have to mention it. I had earlier
suggested that we take this out of the paragraph entirely but
Marika said that we need to put that in so I just rephrased it <br>
</p>
<p>Judith<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/26/2019 11:08 AM, Alan Greenberg
wrote:<br>
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I thought there was general agreement to not have the statement on
"redress through other means".<br>
<br>
Back to Marika's original statement, I would prefer to not mention
any ICANN reconsideration process, or to be exhaustive (including
reconsideration and the Ombudsman).<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
<br>
At 26/08/2019 10:26 AM, Judith Hellerstein wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Hi MARIKA,<br>
<br>
Thanks so much for that additional insight. I had thought they
did follow each other as your email had not indicated they would
be in separate parts of the report. In this case I have revised
the wording as follows. Also if we are using the term Board in
one place we need to be consistent and so I deleted the word
"Icann". If we want to use state ICANN Board int he later half
of the sentence than we should use it also in the earlier
instance. We should be consistent in the terms we are using<br>
<br>
<i>The CCWG agreed that appropriate measures should be taken to
exclude applicants applying for Auction Proceeds from using
ICANN accountability measures such as IRP. The reason for this
recommendation is that the Board decision in
<b>any review </b>context would be in relation to the <b>overall
program’s</b> disbursement of funds based on the
recommendations of the independent evaluation panel, and not a
result of the Board's assessment of an individual application.
This should not necessarily prevent applicants from seeking
redress through other means as defined by the mechanism
responsible for disbursement of auction proceeds.<br>
</i><br>
<i>Best,<br>
</i><br>
<i>Judith<br>
</i><br>
<pre>_________________________________________________________________________
Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
Hellerstein & Associates
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Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein
Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
E-mail:
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On 8/26/2019 10:04 AM, Marika Konings wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Thanks, Judith but
deleting the last sentence from the first paragraph removes
the rationale for the CCWG’s recommendation to not provide
access to ICANN accountability mechanisms such as IRP. It may
be important for readers to have this context to understand
the CCWG’s recommendation? Also as a reminder, these two
paragraphs do not immediately follow each other in the report.
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Marika<br>
<br>
<b>From: </b>Ccwg-auctionproceeds <a
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org></a> on behalf
of Judith Hellerstein <a
href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com" moz-do-not-send="true">
<judith@jhellerstein.com></a><br>
<b>Organization: </b>Hellerstein & Associates<br>
<b>Reply-To: </b><a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">"judith@jhellerstein.com"</a>
<a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><judith@jhellerstein.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, August 23, 2019 at 16:13<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">"ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"</a>
<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] [Ext] Re: For your
review - updated language in relation to individual appeals
mechanism<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear Marika<br>
<br>
I have re-written the first paragraph to make it more
understandable and clear. There is no need for the last two
sentences of the first paragraph as they are contained in the
second and are very clear there. I think this give a better
write up of what was discussed and makes it more succinct and
clear<br>
<br>
<i>The CCWG after having reviewed how other organizations deal
with appeal, discussed whether an appeals mechanism should
be available for applicant not selected
</i><br>
<i>but agreed that this would not be a feasible option.
Instead it recommends that applicants not selected be given
educational materials to assist them with filling out
applications for future rounds and also be given the details
on when this round will be open. Both selected applicants
and non-selected applicants should be invited to participate
and provide any feedback they may have on how the program
can be further improved.<br>
</i><br>
<i>Best,<br>
</i><br>
<i>Judith<br>
</i><br>
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On 8/23/2019 10:50 AM, Marika Konings wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Thanks all for your input. The updated language would
read as follows:<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd>The CCWG discussed whether an appeals mechanism should
be available for applicant not selected and/but agreed
that this would create a level of complexity that was
deemed not desirable or necessary, after having reviewed
how other organizations deal with appeals. Instead, it is
the expectation that applicants not selected [should
receive further details about where information can be
found about the next round of applications as well as any
educational materials that may be available to assist
applicants]. would receive feedback as part of the
response to their application outlining the reasons for
why their application was not selected. Also, in the
context of the regular review of the mechanisms, both
selected applicants and non-selected applicants should be
invited to participate and provide any feedback they may
have on how the program can be further improved. The CCWG
did agree that appropriate measures should be taken that
would exclude applicants from using ICANN accountability
measures such as IRP. The reason for this recommendation
is that the Board decision in this [any review] context
would be in relation to the [overall program’s]
disbursement of funds based on the recommendations of the
independent evaluation panel and not as a result of the
ICANN’s Board assessment of an individual application.
This should not necessarily prevent applicants from
seeking redress through other means as defined by the
mechanism responsible for disbursement of auction
proceeds.<br>
</dd>
<dd>CCWG Recommendation #NEW: Applicants should not have
access to ICANN accountability mechanisms such as IRP to
challenge a decision from the independent evaluation panel
to not approve their application, but applicants not
selected [should receive further details about where
information can be found about the next round of
applications as well as any educational materials that may
be available to assist applicants]. [not selected should
receive feedback as part of the response to their
application outlining the reasons for why their
application was not selected]. <br>
</dd>
<dd>Best regards,<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd>Marika<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd>From: Becky Burr <a
href="mailto:becky.burr@board.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><becky.burr@board.icann.org></a><br>
</dd>
<dd>Date: Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 11:36<br>
</dd>
<dd>To: Marilyn Cade <a
href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><marilynscade@hotmail.com></a><br>
</dd>
<dd>Cc: <a href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">"maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"</a>
<a href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><maarten.botterman@board.icann.org></a>,
Marika Konings
<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><marika.konings@icann.org></a>,
<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
"ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"</a> <a
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org></a><br>
</dd>
<dd>Subject: [Ext] Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your
review - updated language in relation to individual
appeals mechanism<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd>agree with Marilyn's proposed changes<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd>On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:25 PM Marilyn Cade <<a
href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a> >
wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Agreeing with Maarten. <br>
</dd>
<dd>If people can misunderstand, they will! It is just
human nature, made more complex by multiple languages.
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd>🙂 <br>
</dd>
<dd>I am going a little further with a slight adjustment
to the present language/but it is only a<br>
</dd>
<dd>POSSIBLE REVISION: HIGHLIGHTED/AND IN CAPS.
Deletions in [ ]. <br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd>The reason for this recommendation is that the Board
decision in [this] ANY REVIEW context would be in
relation to the OVERALL PROGRAM'S disbursement of
funds based on the recommendations of the independent
evaluation panel<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<hr>
</dd>
<dd>From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <<a
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org</a>> on
behalf of
<a href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a>><br>
</dd>
<dd>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:40 AM<br>
</dd>
<dd>To: 'Marika Konings' <<a
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">marika.konings@icann.org</a>
><br>
</dd>
<dd>Cc: <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a>><br>
</dd>
<dd>Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review
- updated language in relation to individual appeals
mechanism
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Dear Marika,<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Just to avoid new confusion, it may be good to be
crisp clear in your text that neither Board nor Org
will be evaluating and making determinations on
individual applications, this is the role of the
Independent Panel.
<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>When you say below:<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>The reason for this recommendation is that the Board
decision in this context would be in relation to the
disbursement of funds based on the recommendations of
the independent evaluation panel and not as a result
of the ICANN’s Board assessment of an individual
application.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>It may happen that people who have not intensely
followed the process *could* get the impression that
the Board would assess individual applications, and we
will not.
<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Thanks<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Maarten<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <<a
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org</a>> On
Behalf Of Marika Konings<br>
</dd>
<dd>Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2019 23:42<br>
</dd>
<dd>To: <a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
</dd>
<dd>Subject: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review -
updated language in relation to individual appeals
mechanism<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Dear CCWG,<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Thanks all for your input and suggestions in
relation to the proposed language concerning the
individual appeals mechanism. Hereby for your review
updated language (in bold and brackets) which aims to
reflect the input received during today’s meeting.
As also noted, staff will review the latest draft of
the report and insert in the appropriate place
implementation guidance that would recommend that
appropriate informational materials are developed and
provided to assist applicants. If you have any further
comments, concerns or suggestions, please share these
by Friday 23 August at the latest.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Proposed text for inclusion in the Final Report in
relation to an individual appeals mechanism:<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>The CCWG discussed whether an appeals mechanism
should be available for applicant not selected and/but
agreed that this would create a level of complexity
that was deemed not desirable or necessary, after
having reviewed how other organizations deal with
appeals. Instead, it is the expectation that
applicants not selected [should receive further
details about where information can be found about the
next round of applications as well as any educational
materials that may be available to assist applicants].
would receive feedback as part of the response to
their application outlining the reasons for why their
application was not selected. Also, in the context of
the regular review of the mechanisms, both selected
applicants and non-selected applicants should be
invited to participate and provide any feedback they
may have on how the program can be further improved.
The CCWG did agree that appropriate measures should be
taken that would exclude applicants from using ICANN
accountability measures such as IRP. The reason for
this recommendation is that the Board decision in this
context would be in relation to the disbursement of
funds based on the recommendations of the independent
evaluation panel and not as a result of the ICANN’s
Board assessment of an individual application. This
should not necessarily prevent applicants from seeking
redress through other means as defined by the
mechanism responsible for disbursement of auction
proceeds.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>CCWG Recommendation #NEW: Applicants should not have
access to ICANN accountability mechanisms such as IRP
to challenge a decision from the independent
evaluation panel to not approve their application, but
applicants not selected [should receive further
details about where information can be found about the
next round of applications as well as any educational
materials that may be available to assist
applicants]. [not selected should receive feedback as
part of the response to their application outlining
the reasons for why their application was not
selected]. <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Best regards,<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Marika <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Marika Konings<br>
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<dd>Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO,
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