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<p>HI Marika,</p>
<p>Thanks for clarifying. I also wanted that sentence removed but
thought you had suggested otherwise</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/26/2019 11:17 AM, Marika Konings
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:7C6A7E83-376D-4FB5-B567-02B53F1F1F88@icann.org">
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<div dir="ltr">I think we maybe talking about two different things
- I was referring to the rationale for not providing access to
ICANN accountability mechanisms not the sentence that includes a
reference to ‘redress to other means’ which I think most agreed
to remove. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Best regards,</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Marika</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
On 26 Aug 2019, at 09:12, Judith Hellerstein <<a
href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com" moz-do-not-send="true">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<p>HI Alan,</p>
<p>Apparently Marika said that we have to mention it. I had
earlier suggested that we take this out of the paragraph
entirely but Marika said that we need to put that in so I
just rephrased it
<br>
</p>
<p>Judith<br>
</p>
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Hellerstein & Associates
3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein
Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/26/2019 11:08 AM, Alan
Greenberg wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:YQBPR0101MB0754146735555E7354FF8C1593A10@YQBPR0101MB0754.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM">I
thought there was general agreement to not have the
statement on "redress through other means".<br>
<br>
Back to Marika's original statement, I would prefer to not
mention any ICANN reconsideration process, or to be
exhaustive (including reconsideration and the Ombudsman).<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
<br>
At 26/08/2019 10:26 AM, Judith Hellerstein wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Hi MARIKA,<br>
<br>
Thanks so much for that additional insight. I had thought
they did follow each other as your email had not indicated
they would be in separate parts of the report. In this
case I have revised the wording as follows. Also if we are
using the term Board in one place we need to be consistent
and so I deleted the word "Icann". If we want to use
state ICANN Board int he later half of the sentence than
we should use it also in the earlier instance. We should
be consistent in the terms we are using<br>
<br>
<i>The CCWG agreed that appropriate measures should be
taken to exclude applicants applying for Auction
Proceeds from using ICANN accountability measures such
as IRP. The reason for this recommendation is that the
Board decision in
<b>any review </b>context would be in relation to the <b>overall
program’s</b> disbursement of funds based on the
recommendations of the independent evaluation panel, and
not a result of the Board's assessment of an individual
application. This should not necessarily prevent
applicants from seeking redress through other means as
defined by the mechanism responsible for disbursement of
auction proceeds.<br>
</i><br>
<i>Best,<br>
</i><br>
<i>Judith<br>
</i><br>
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On 8/26/2019 10:04 AM, Marika Konings wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Thanks,
Judith but deleting the last sentence from the first
paragraph removes the rationale for the CCWG’s
recommendation to not provide access to ICANN
accountability mechanisms such as IRP. It may be
important for readers to have this context to understand
the CCWG’s recommendation? Also as a reminder, these
two paragraphs do not immediately follow each other in
the report.
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Marika<br>
<br>
<b>From: </b>Ccwg-auctionproceeds <a
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org></a> on
behalf of Judith Hellerstein <a
href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<judith@jhellerstein.com></a><br>
<b>Organization: </b>Hellerstein & Associates<br>
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<a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><judith@jhellerstein.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, August 23, 2019 at 16:13<br>
<b>To: </b><a
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">"ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"</a>
<a href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] [Ext] Re:
For your review - updated language in relation to
individual appeals mechanism<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear Marika<br>
<br>
I have re-written the first paragraph to make it more
understandable and clear. There is no need for the last
two sentences of the first paragraph as they are
contained in the second and are very clear there. I
think this give a better write up of what was discussed
and makes it more succinct and clear<br>
<br>
<i>The CCWG after having reviewed how other
organizations deal with appeal, discussed whether an
appeals mechanism should be available for applicant
not selected
</i><br>
<i>but agreed that this would not be a feasible option.
Instead it recommends that applicants not selected be
given educational materials to assist them with
filling out applications for future rounds and also be
given the details on when this round will be open.
Both selected applicants and non-selected applicants
should be invited to participate and provide any
feedback they may have on how the program can be
further improved.<br>
</i><br>
<i>Best,<br>
</i><br>
<i>Judith<br>
</i><br>
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On 8/23/2019 10:50 AM, Marika Konings wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Thanks all for your input. The updated language
would read as follows:<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd>The CCWG discussed whether an appeals mechanism
should be available for applicant not selected
and/but agreed that this would create a level of
complexity that was deemed not desirable or
necessary, after having reviewed how other
organizations deal with appeals. Instead, it is the
expectation that applicants not selected [should
receive further details about where information can
be found about the next round of applications as
well as any educational materials that may be
available to assist applicants]. would receive
feedback as part of the response to their
application outlining the reasons for why their
application was not selected. Also, in the context
of the regular review of the mechanisms, both
selected applicants and non-selected applicants
should be invited to participate and provide any
feedback they may have on how the program can be
further improved. The CCWG did agree that
appropriate measures should be taken that would
exclude applicants from using ICANN accountability
measures such as IRP. The reason for this
recommendation is that the Board decision in this
[any review] context would be in relation to the
[overall program’s] disbursement of funds based on
the recommendations of the independent evaluation
panel and not as a result of the ICANN’s Board
assessment of an individual application. This should
not necessarily prevent applicants from seeking
redress through other means as defined by the
mechanism responsible for disbursement of auction
proceeds.<br>
</dd>
<dd>CCWG Recommendation #NEW: Applicants should not
have access to ICANN accountability mechanisms such
as IRP to challenge a decision from the independent
evaluation panel to not approve their application,
but applicants not selected [should receive further
details about where information can be found about
the next round of applications as well as any
educational materials that may be available to
assist applicants]. [not selected should receive
feedback as part of the response to their
application outlining the reasons for why their
application was not selected]. <br>
</dd>
<dd>Best regards,<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd>Marika<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd>From: Becky Burr <a
href="mailto:becky.burr@board.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<becky.burr@board.icann.org></a><br>
</dd>
<dd>Date: Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 11:36<br>
</dd>
<dd>To: Marilyn Cade <a
href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<marilynscade@hotmail.com></a><br>
</dd>
<dd>Cc: <a
href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
"maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"</a> <a
href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<maarten.botterman@board.icann.org></a>,
Marika Konings <a
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"
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<marika.konings@icann.org></a>, <a
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
"ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"</a> <a
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org></a><br>
</dd>
<dd>Subject: [Ext] Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your
review - updated language in relation to individual
appeals mechanism<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd>agree with Marilyn's proposed changes<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd>On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:25 PM Marilyn Cade <<a
href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>
> wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Agreeing with Maarten. <br>
</dd>
<dd>If people can misunderstand, they will! It is
just human nature, made more complex by multiple
languages.
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd>🙂 <br>
</dd>
<dd>I am going a little further with a slight
adjustment to the present language/but it is
only a<br>
</dd>
<dd>POSSIBLE REVISION: HIGHLIGHTED/AND IN CAPS.
Deletions in [ ]. <br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
</dd>
<dd>The reason for this recommendation is that the
Board decision in [this] ANY REVIEW context
would be in relation to the OVERALL PROGRAM'S
disbursement of funds based on the
recommendations of the independent evaluation
panel<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<hr>
</dd>
<dd>From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <<a
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of
<a
href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a>
<<a
href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a>><br>
</dd>
<dd>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:40 AM<br>
</dd>
<dd>To: 'Marika Konings' <<a
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">marika.konings@icann.org</a>
><br>
</dd>
<dd>Cc: <a
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a>
<<a
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a>><br>
</dd>
<dd>Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your
review - updated language in relation to
individual appeals mechanism
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Dear Marika,<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Just to avoid new confusion, it may be good to
be crisp clear in your text that neither Board
nor Org will be evaluating and making
determinations on individual applications, this
is the role of the Independent Panel.
<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>When you say below:<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>The reason for this recommendation is that the
Board decision in this context would be in
relation to the disbursement of funds based on
the recommendations of the independent
evaluation panel and not as a result of the
ICANN’s Board assessment of an individual
application.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>It may happen that people who have not
intensely followed the process *could* get the
impression that the Board would assess
individual applications, and we will not.
<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Thanks<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Maarten<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <<a
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org</a>>
On Behalf Of Marika Konings<br>
</dd>
<dd>Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2019 23:42<br>
</dd>
<dd>To: <a
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
</dd>
<dd>Subject: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your
review - updated language in relation to
individual appeals mechanism<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Dear CCWG,<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Thanks all for your input and suggestions in
relation to the proposed language concerning the
individual appeals mechanism. Hereby for your
review updated language (in bold and brackets)
which aims to reflect the input received during
today’s meeting. As also noted, staff will
review the latest draft of the report and insert
in the appropriate place implementation guidance
that would recommend that appropriate
informational materials are developed and
provided to assist applicants. If you have any
further comments, concerns or suggestions,
please share these by Friday 23 August at the
latest.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Proposed text for inclusion in the Final
Report in relation to an individual appeals
mechanism:<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>The CCWG discussed whether an appeals
mechanism should be available for applicant not
selected and/but agreed that this would create a
level of complexity that was deemed not
desirable or necessary, after having reviewed
how other organizations deal with appeals.
Instead, it is the expectation that applicants
not selected [should receive further details
about where information can be found about the
next round of applications as well as any
educational materials that may be available to
assist applicants]. would receive feedback as
part of the response to their application
outlining the reasons for why their application
was not selected. Also, in the context of the
regular review of the mechanisms, both selected
applicants and non-selected applicants should be
invited to participate and provide any feedback
they may have on how the program can be further
improved. The CCWG did agree that appropriate
measures should be taken that would exclude
applicants from using ICANN accountability
measures such as IRP. The reason for this
recommendation is that the Board decision in
this context would be in relation to the
disbursement of funds based on the
recommendations of the independent evaluation
panel and not as a result of the ICANN’s Board
assessment of an individual application. This
should not necessarily prevent applicants from
seeking redress through other means as defined
by the mechanism responsible for disbursement of
auction proceeds.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>CCWG Recommendation #NEW: Applicants should
not have access to ICANN accountability
mechanisms such as IRP to challenge a decision
from the independent evaluation panel to not
approve their application, but applicants not
selected [should receive further details about
where information can be found about the next
round of applications as well as any educational
materials that may be available to assist
applicants]. [not selected should receive
feedback as part of the response to their
application outlining the reasons for why their
application was not selected]. <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Best regards,<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Marika <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd> <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Marika Konings<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Vice President, Policy Development Support –
GNSO, Internet Corpporation for Assigned Names
and Numbers (ICANN)
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