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<p>HI Sam,</p>
<p>Sorry to wade in to this discussion which is not really on target
but felt that I needed to correct some assumptions that Sam has
made. Sam LanFranco, I respect your time and contributions, but in
your description you left out At Large, we are representing the
Public Interest which you have neglected to mention. Our
volunteers (Members and Participants within CCWG-Auction Proceeds)
spend countless hours working on these issues and get no
reimbursement of compensation for our times spent, but if you look
at the attendance and contribution measures we are always there at
these meetings but the same could not be said for NCSG
contingency. Our volunteers are deeply committed to these issues
and many of them make time to come to these meetings, taking time
out of their work day, waking up very early in the morning or
staying up very late at night, so we beg to differ on your slight.
We are not paid by our jobs for any of the countless hours we put
in representing the public interest, but many of us do this
because we are so passionate about it<br>
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<p><br>
</p>
<p>While many of us in At Large agree with your statement below, we
still manage to find the time to show up and contribute.<br>
</p>
<p>"This labor-intensive process gives favorable weight to the
business sector, with its paid engagement, and less weight to
ngo/civil society sector inputs that depends on volunteer labor.
There is no clear or easy way to address this imbalance, one which
ICANN org downplays to bolster its multistakeholder image. The
differential resource bases and -at best- well meaning efforts as
representation of public interest will continue to complicate
engagement in the working group process."</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith</p>
<p>Speaking for myself<br>
</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="80">_________________________________________________________________________
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/29/2019 12:42 PM, Sam Lanfranco
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope this is not an imposition. We have
segued into a discussion of participation and I would like to
add a comment or two. The first is that within its work
multistakeholder ICANN starts with an endemic imbalance. Those
stakeholder groups with an economic self-interest in issues are
always there, and usually paid to be there. GAC, with its
political interests, operates under constraints that they are
partially uncomfortable with. GAC both partially adjusts and
seeks other forms of leverage, within ICANN’s remit, with <span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>efforts at leverage from
elsewhere. The participation of the ngo and civil society sector
suffers from the fact that it does not represent sector, instead
it's self-selected members participate <b><i>in the interests
of</i></b> the issues important to that sector.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The result is a three-legged working process
and policy stool where the leg representing economic
self-interest (contract and non-contracted business parties) is
strong, determined and well resourced. The GAC leg is well
resourced but constrained by GAC’s advisory role. The public
interest leg (NCSG, NCUC, NPOC) is constrained by its volunteer
labor, lack of resources, and -in some sense- while engagement
is well-meaning, has no direct accountability to those whose
interests it represents.</p>
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</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">To the credit of all, much of the working
group process is an effort to reach clarity around a consensus
outcome. Much of what we put on the table gets a fair hearing
prior to acceptance or rejection. This labor-intensive process
gives favorable weight to the business sector, with its paid
engagement, and less weight to ngo/civil society sector inputs
that depends on volunteer labor. There is no clear or easy way
to address this imbalance, one which ICANN org downplays to
bolster its multistakeholder image. The differential resource
bases and -at best- well meaning efforts as representation of
public interest will continue to complicate engagement in the
working group process. <br>
</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my view, the likely long run outcome will
be more of Internet governance policy making taking place
elsewhere, and a tighter ring fence around what is understood as
the ICANN remit. <br>
</p>
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</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sam L <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/29/2019 10:35 AM, Marilyn Cade
wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Yes, Elliot, and I do
appreciate your response and your clarification.</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <span style="color:
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">I learned a long
time ago to watch the attendance at all meetings, but also
to look at who posts to see who may be very actively
engaged, but did a quick analysis of the attendance rates of
each of the members, and also the participants, and I also
looked at who posts. That took a lot of time but I thought
it worthwhile, as my training in Organizational Development
taught me to loo for the obvious and the non obvious. </span><br>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <span style="color:
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">Fortunately, the
attendance records help us to document who is engaging. As
do the posting records, which show the active engagement of
several of the members and also some participants. </span></div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I think there are
multiple indicators of commitment and interest: </div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> e.g. people don't show
up on calls, due to travel or conflicts with other meetings, <b>but
</b>they read and post comments, which shows their active
engagement. </div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> e.g. people actively
fill in the doodle polls so that a meeting with the most
attendance can be selected</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> e.g. people who can't
attend send regrets, so that it is clear they are
participating, even if not able to attend a particular
meeting.</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> We have been competing
with the EPDP and I am not being critical, just making an
observation but for many, it has sort of sucked all the air
out of the room of participation and personally, I have to
respect that, while also striving to make sure that the
community has the participation that it expected. Certainly,
we have had great Board liaison, great staff support,
dedicated co chairs, and a core group of participants. </div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> But, in some ways,
this is why I want a second public comment period, although
I'd prefer a 30 day period for public comments. </div>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Again, thanks for your
reponse.</div>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Marilyn </div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
Elliot Noss <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:enoss@tucows.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><enoss@tucows.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 29, 2019 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marilyn Cade <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><marilynscade@hotmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> CCWG Auction Proceeds <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Revised
review/assessment proposal</font>
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<div class="" style="word-wrap:break-word;
line-break:after-white-space">“Playing along” was not meant
in a derogatory way. In fact it was intended as a positive.
Apologies if it came across otherwise. I should more
accurately have said “still participating”. The people who
join and lurk are many. Those who stick it out and work are
few. That speaks positively of the few not the many. Hope
that clarifies.
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<div class="">Iirc this started with something like 60+
people. We are probably 20% of that active at this point.</div>
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<div class="">On Aug 29, 2019, at 9:23 AM, Marilyn
Cade <<a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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font-size:12pt"> Elliot, can you clarify what you
mean by "playing along". </div>
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<div class="" style="word-wrap:break-word;
line-break:after-white-space">I do want you all
to know I am still following along. This is all
WAY TOO MUCH in my view (both experts on review
and this de minimis role for the community
wrapped in another convoluted process) but I
respect others opinions and efforts.
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love to hear, just to know I am not alone. I
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read to mean that each project is
reviewed. NOT what we are agreeing
on. </div>
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