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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope this is not an imposition. We have
segued into a
discussion of participation and I would like to add a comment or
two. The first
is that within its work multistakeholder ICANN starts with an
endemic
imbalance. Those stakeholder groups with an economic
self-interest in issues
are always there, and usually paid to be there. GAC, with its
political
interests, operates under constraints that they are partially
uncomfortable
with. GAC both partially adjusts and seeks other forms of
leverage, within
ICANN’s remit, with <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>efforts
at leverage from
elsewhere. The participation of the ngo and civil society sector
suffers from the fact that it does not
represent sector, instead it's self-selected members participate
<b><i>in the interests of</i></b>
the issues important to that sector.</p>
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</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The result is a three-legged working process
and policy
stool where the leg representing economic self-interest
(contract and
non-contracted business parties) is strong, determined and well
resourced. The
GAC leg is well resourced but constrained by GAC’s advisory
role. The public
interest leg (NCSG, NCUC, NPOC) is constrained by its volunteer
labor, lack of
resources, and -in some sense- while engagement is well-meaning,
has no
direct accountability to those whose interests it represents.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To the credit of all, much of the working
group process is
an effort to reach clarity around a consensus outcome. Much of
what we put on
the table gets a fair hearing prior to acceptance or rejection.
This labor-intensive
process gives favorable weight to the business sector, with its
paid
engagement, and less weight to ngo/civil society sector inputs
that depends on
volunteer labor. There is no clear or
easy way to address this imbalance, one which ICANN org
downplays to bolster
its multistakeholder image. The differential resource bases and
-at best- well
meaning efforts as representation of public interest will
continue to complicate engagement in the working
group process. <br>
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</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In my view, the likely long run outcome will
be more of Internet governance
policy making taking place elsewhere, and a tighter ring fence
around what is
understood as the ICANN remit. <br>
</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sam L <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/29/2019 10:35 AM, Marilyn Cade
wrote:<br>
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Yes, Elliot, and I do appreciate your response and your
clarification.</div>
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var(--white);">I learned a long time ago to watch the
attendance at all meetings, but also to look at who posts to
see who may be very actively engaged, but did a quick analysis
of the attendance rates of each of the members, and also the
participants, and I also looked at who posts. That took a lot
of time but I thought it worthwhile, as my training in
Organizational Development taught me to loo for the obvious
and the non obvious. </span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,
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var(--white);">Fortunately, the attendance records help us to
document who is engaging. As do the posting records, which
show the active engagement of several of the members and also
some participants. </span></div>
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I think there are multiple indicators of commitment and
interest: </div>
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e.g. people don't show up on calls, due to travel or conflicts
with other meetings,
<b>but </b>they read and post comments, which shows their
active engagement. </div>
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e.g. people actively fill in the doodle polls so that a meeting
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e.g. people who can't attend send regrets, so that it is clear
they are participating, even if not able to attend a particular
meeting.</div>
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We have been competing with the EPDP and I am not being
critical, just making an observation but for many, it has sort
of sucked all the air out of the room of participation and
personally, I have to respect that, while also striving to make
sure that the community has the participation that it expected.
Certainly, we have had great Board liaison, great staff
support, dedicated co chairs, and a core group of participants. </div>
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But, in some ways, this is why I want a second public comment
period, although I'd prefer a 30 day period for public
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Again, thanks for your reponse.</div>
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Marilyn </div>
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Elliot Noss <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:enoss@tucows.com"><enoss@tucows.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 29, 2019 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marilyn Cade <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com"><marilynscade@hotmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> CCWG Auction Proceeds
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Revised
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<div class="" style="word-wrap:break-word;
line-break:after-white-space">“Playing along” was not meant in
a derogatory way. In fact it was intended as a positive.
Apologies if it came across otherwise. I should more
accurately have said “still participating”. The people who
join and lurk are many. Those who stick it out and work are
few. That speaks positively of the few not the many. Hope that
clarifies.
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<div class="">Iirc this started with something like 60+
people. We are probably 20% of that active at this point.</div>
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<div class="">On Aug 29, 2019, at 9:23 AM, Marilyn Cade
<<a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" class=""
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Elliot, can you clarify what you mean by "playing
along". </div>
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I am a little challenged by that comment, given the
amount of time that I devote to this CCWG. </div>
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span
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line-break:after-white-space">I do want you all to
know I am still following along. This is all WAY
TOO MUCH in my view (both experts on review and
this de minimis role for the community wrapped in
another convoluted process) but I respect others
opinions and efforts.
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to hear, just to know I am not alone. I am also
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agree with Maureen and Sam. </div>
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cumulative could be read to mean that
each project is reviewed. NOT what we
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