[ccwg-internet-governance] Omnibus CCWG-IG or separate CCWG-IANA?

Drazek, Keith kdrazek at verisign.com
Tue Apr 8 13:36:57 UTC 2014


ICANN announced yesterday that they needed an extra day to complete the summary and it would be published today.

From: ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org [mailto:ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn Cade
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 1:29 AM
To: Fares, David; Holly Raiche; ocl at gih.com
Cc: ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org
Subject: Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] Omnibus CCWG-IG or separate CCWG-IANA?

I agree. Different expertise is needed for the IANA transition, as well, and I also think that the timelines will need to be paralleled.

Did anyone see the promised ICANN announcement about a 'proposed approach'? I confess to not seeing it yet but thought that Theresa Swinehart was tasked with publishing something.

It may be that also after NETMundial, that we should 'huddle' with those who are attending in person or on line, and catch up within this CCWG on implications from the outputs of that event.

M
> From: DFares at 21cf.com<mailto:DFares at 21cf.com>
> To: h.raiche at internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net>; ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>
> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 05:22:35 +0000
> CC: ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] Omnibus CCWG-IG or separate CCWG-IANA?
>
> I agree that IANA raises a specific issue and perhaps deserves a different CCWG. The two CCWGs could coordinate as appropriate.
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Holly Raiche
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:40 AM
> To: Olivier Crepin-Leblond
> Cc: ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] Omnibus CCWG-IG or separate CCWG-IANA?
>
> Hi everyone
>
> I absolutely agree with Jordan and Olivier.
>
> The IANA transition raises a very specific set of issues - both the transition of technical oversight and the larger issue of accountability.
>
> I would strongly support - and happily participate in - a separate group that focusses specifically on the IANA transition processes.
>
> Holly
> On 7 Apr 2014, at 6:06 pm, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > my personal view is that the current CCWG is on Internet Governance in
> > general and has an important mission to play in coordinating all of
> > the issues & communicating on them.
> > A separate CCWG on IANA is needed too and this is needed as a distinct
> > vehicle, such is the potential for that topic to be huge. I am worried
> > that if we had an omnibus WG the IANA issue would take up *all* of our
> > time and let us drop the ball on other IG issues.
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Olivier
> >
> > On 05/04/2014 12:21, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
> >> My personal view is the same i.e. for a variety of pragmatic
> >> considerations, a group focussed solely on the issues with the IANA
> >> transition is the approach to take here.
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org>
> >> [mailto:ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of
> >> William Drake
> >> Sent: 05 April 2014 10:37
> >> To: Drazek, Keith
> >> Cc: CCWG
> >> Subject: [ccwg-internet-governance] Omnibus CCWG-IG or separate CCWG-IANA?
> >>
> >> Hi Keith
> >>
> >> I'm taking the liberty of aligning the subject line with the subject.
> >>
> >> On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com<mailto:kdrazek at verisign.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is the CCWG-IG the right group to focus on IANA 2.0, or should it be
> >> another CCWG? It seems that there may be value in the existing
> >> CCWG-IG completing its Charter and retaining a broader focus on
> >> general IG matters, of which the NTIA announcement and future IANA
> >> are just a narrow. albeit important, subset. I guess I'm wondering if
> >> we'd be better served with 2 separate CCWGs to appropriately handle
> >> these issues before us in 2014. The answer probably depends on the
> >> charter language and whether we think a single group can handle it
> >> all. I welcome any/all views. Thanks, Keith
> >>
> >> This was the subject of many a conversation in Singapore,
> >> particularly it seemed at the well lubricated Verisign reception. I
> >> heard some people argue that IANA is not IG and therefore separate
> >> groups are needed, which strikes me a substantively nonsensical. A
> >> more compelling consideration I think is simple pragmatism: ccNSO
> >> leaders appeared to say in two meetings I attended (they can please
> >> correct if I misunderstood) that they would pull out of the CCWGIG if
> >> it tried to take on IANA, and other stakeholder group leaders also
> >> have expressed reservations about this group doing it and suggested a
> >> clean start. We could spend many cycles debating the history-laden
> >> perceptions and rationales behind this, but at the end of the day if
> >> important parts of the community are dug in on the notion of a second
> >> group and we're trying to operate in a communal manner, there's
> >> probably no much to be gained by trying to force things. In
> >> addition, from a pragmatic standpoint, a real process on IANA in the
> >> time frame needed would most likely become so all consuming that the
> >> CCWGIG might have little ability to engage on the broader contours of IG and ICANN's roles in the ecosystem. And there are actual issues there...
> >>
> >> So while we hardly need more mailing lists to subscribe to, I would
> >> argue for the path of least resistance.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>
> >> ***********************************************
> >> William J. Drake
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