[ccwg-internet-governance] Follow-up to Call of 9 Feb 2016

Carlos Raul carlosraulg at gmail.com
Wed Feb 10 22:16:45 UTC 2016

Dear Nigel,

Of course ICANN staff should be involved as far and deep as possible, from
a narrow technical perspective. As narrow as ICANN foundational remit.


Apartado 1571-1000
On Feb 10, 2016 4:08 PM, "Nigel Hickson" <nigel.hickson at icann.org> wrote:

> Sam
> Good evening; so when the ITU or UN is discussing critical Internet
> resources we (as staff) should not be involved?
> Best
> Nigel
> From: <ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Sam
> Lanfranco <sam at lanfranco.net>
> Date: Wednesday 10 February 2016 21:35
> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>, farzaneh badii <
> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> Cc: ccwg <ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] Follow-up to Call of 9 Feb 2016
> From my perspective there are two issues here, one a dead issue and
> another one that has not really been put on the ICANN table yet, nor is it
> obvious that it should be put on the ICANN table.
> Several quarters, inside and outside ICANN, were concerned with regard to
> the extent to which Fadi, as ICANN CEO, was or was not exceeding his CEO
> terms of reference in some of the NetMundial/WEF and Wuzhen activities.
> There may be lessons to be learned from that with regard to Board decision
> transparency and CEO terms-of-reference, but those activities are pretty
> much a dead issue with the departure of Fadi, unless we discover that
> commitments were made on the behalf of ICANN and without the knowledge of
> The other issue, i.e., to what extend should ICANN be engaged with, or not
> engaged with, such initiatives and activities as a newish NetMundial, WEF,
> IGF, Wuzhan, WSIS+10, etc., is a separate issue. Individual stakeholders
> within ICANN, as stakeholders within the global Internet ecosystem, are of
> course free to engage when and where they wish. ICANN entities, and
> individuals as ICANN office holders or staff, may not  engage in their
> capacity as office holders or as staff, unless explicitly authorized to do
> so on specific tasks.
> Whether ICANN itself should be engaged is a separate issue. I think it
> should not. ICANN does not own its constituencies and other engagement
> should be constituency driven from within the global Internet ecosystem.
> This does not prevent the exchange of information within ICANN about and
> around such initiatives. Stakeholders and stakeholder groups benefit from
> knowing what is going on and who is doing what, and where, across relevant
> parts of the ICANN ecosystem. It also does not prevent collaboration and
> cooperation around common efforts where mission and vision overlap, whether
> those efforts are from ICANN entities or on the part of ICANN staff working
> within their ICANN staff remit.
> The various parts and players here are a bit like planets in a solar
> system. They are independent entities in motion, but their proximity means
> they influence each others movement, while they remain independent entities.
> Unlike planets, the players and entities are alive, watching, and capable
> of joint and independent strategic effort.
> Sam Lanfranco, Chair
> NPOC Policy Committee
> *On 10/02/2016 2:49 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:*
> *Dear Farzaneh,
> my comments inline:
> On 10/02/2016 18:59, farzaneh badii wrote:
> *
> *Wolfgang is not a board member anymore .
> *
> *
> I never said he was.*
> And why do we have to steer away the discussion about Wuzhen and
> ICANN? This is not about Fadi. It is about ICANN being represented
> there and if it is ok for ICANN to continue its representation.... so
> if it comes up , why not discuss it ?
> *
> Is ICANN represented there? What do you mean by "represented"? ICANN
> representatives take part in many meetings from UN related meetings to
> local IGFs etc. I don't think this WG has any way to dictate this. On
> the other hand, if "represented" means ICANN representatives leading
> initiatives on behalf of ICANN, that might be another story. I see a
> different from participating in an initiative and leading an initiative.
> Kindest regards,
> Olivier
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