[ccwg-internet-governance] ccwg-internet-governance Digest, Vol 34, Issue 70

Jim Prendergast jim at GALWAYSG.COM
Fri Oct 28 00:40:34 UTC 2016


I agree with Becky. This has to be a do not cross line. 

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>   1. Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Proposal to amend World Telecommunication
>      Standardization Assembly Resolution 47 (Burr, Becky)
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> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 23:11:05 +0000
> From: "Burr, Becky" <Becky.Burr at neustar.biz>
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> Subject: Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] CONSENSUS CALL: Proposal to
>    amend World Telecommunication Standardization Assembly Resolution 47
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> I don?t know what kind of compromise could be acceptable.  I understand those that support a kick the can and study approach ? and often that is as good as it gets.  In this case I am strongly in favor of sticking to the principle that this is not the remit of ITU-T, particularly in the standardization context
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> From: Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com<mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>>
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> Date: Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 6:51 PM
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> Subject: Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] CONSENSUS CALL: Proposal to amend World Telecommunication Standardization Assembly Resolution 47
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> HI Nigel,
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> Thanks for the update. Yes the US and the UK and most likely other nations are doing their best to help convince other countries that this issue should be discussed by the relevant Internet bodies and not by the ITU-T. Let's hope that the informal discussion tomorrow and over the weekend leads to a compromise.  As such, our statement could be very useful to other nations as they work on compromise language or a suppression.
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> Best,
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> Judith
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> On 10/27/2016 2:31 PM, Nigel Hickson wrote:
> Good afternoon
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> Thank you useful.  Just to report to colleagues that the proposal referenced was discussed (initially) in Committee 4 (WG) this afternoon.  After a thorough discussion it was decided that further discussion was required on both the African Group proposal and the US proposal to suppress RES 47.   As such an informal meeting will be held tomorrow.
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> As such the usefulness of a statement is not diminished.  It is likely that discussions on this issue will go into early next week.
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> Best
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> Nigel
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> From: Tom Dale <tom at acig.com.au<mailto:tom at acig.com.au>>
> Date: Thursday 27 October 2016 17:56
> To: Nigel Hickson <nigel.hickson at icann.org<mailto:nigel.hickson at icann.org>>, Mary Uduma <mnuduma at yahoo.com<mailto:mnuduma at yahoo.com>>, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>>, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>>, ccwg <ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] CONSENSUS CALL: Proposal to amend World Telecommunication Standardization Assembly Resolution 47
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> Nigel
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> Just to clarify: There is a GAC Working Group on Geo Names meeting on 3 November at 0830; and a GAC plenary session on country names and codes on 7 November at 0900.
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> From: <ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Nigel Hickson <nigel.hickson at icann.org<mailto:nigel.hickson at icann.org>>
> Date: Friday, 28 October 2016 at 12:56 AM
> To: Mary Uduma <mnuduma at yahoo.com<mailto:mnuduma at yahoo.com>>, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>>, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>>, "ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>" <ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] CONSENSUS CALL: Proposal to amend World Telecommunication Standardization Assembly Resolution 47
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> Mary
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> Good afternoon; greetings from Hammamet.  Thank you for this and also Marilyn?s insights.  Yes, indeed; we are talking to delegations on the ground here and not all are aware of the GAC role in geographical and country names.
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> We are indeed able to point to that fact that there is GAC WG meeting on Geographical Names at ICANN 57 (Monday; 7th November @09.00).
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> Have also offered (and Mary happy for you to amplify through your excellent channels) that ICANN ? anywhere and at anytime ? is happy to brief governments  - whether in Africa or elsewhere -  on the opportunities there are within ICANN to make views know re reservations on particular names.
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> Best
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> Nigel
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> From: <ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of ccwg <ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>>
> Reply-To: Mary Uduma <mnuduma at yahoo.com<mailto:mnuduma at yahoo.com>>
> Date: Thursday 27 October 2016 15:47
> To: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>>, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>>, ccwg <ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] CONSENSUS CALL: Proposal to amend World Telecommunication Standardization Assembly Resolution 47
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> Hello All,
> Marilyn has raised an important issue, most African countries' participants  in T sector of ITU have little or no knowledge of ICANN GAC and are mostly Telecomms Regulators or in the Ministry of ICT from  the P&T arm of the Ministry.
> So sharing with GAC members on ground would be very helpful in making the case during the negotiation.
> Do not forget that Governments in Africa are the engine of the economic activities and not the private sector.
> It may be hard  to convince them otherwise regarding the geo-names being classified as gTLD.
> Within Africa, countries are actually quering ICANN's authority to sell names of other countries in whatever form or colour it might be presented.
> Africa is strong in its demand for the delegation of .africa without further delay, it has gone beyond what ICANN bylaws or missions may provide, to the point of loosing hope in what goes on in ICANN.
> Just by way of information.
> Mary Uduma
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> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 2:24 PM, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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> I support the document. The addition under Role of Governments about the GAC Principles regarding new gTLDs is a very helpful addition, in my view. The only other suggestion I have is whether you want to share the GAC membership list, informally, with those who are promoting this discussion on ground.
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> We should all be aware that in many countries, there is not a horizontal engagement across ministries, and it may be that some govt participants are not directly engaged with their GAC member.
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> I am not being judgmental, but just asking... At SG3 and SG2, and also in other T sector WGs,  there is often almost no interaction with the more senior ministry that engages at ITU Council, as it is viewed that experts are participating. Rather than being critical, perhaps we can be informative.
> Even in the private sector participants, in some cases, in some of the T Sector WGs, it is the technical expert who attends. Often alone.
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> Subject: [ccwg-internet-governance] CONSENSUS CALL: Proposal to amend World Telecommunication Standardization Assembly Resolution 47
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> Dear all,
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> as the document on https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oQqqlEd8ZCQUnQKVTPMZkjeVSfvKoumFXTDnTXIiJMs/edit?usp=sharing[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1oQqqlEd8ZCQUnQKVTPMZkjeVSfvKoumFXTDnTXIiJMs_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DQMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=tNvaqqibhBeQfkDYGyZ18F4MX_FcQHR3Do300-N6HUI&s=NsALV_1T5eMD-zjGzeM5o7VZXnzdINIkdVZqZKXHCUE&e=> has not received significant amendments in the past 24H and the WTSA is already under way in Tunis, the co-Chairs of the CCWG Internet Governance are issuing a 24H Consensus Call for the text that is currently in the Google Doc, also attached to this message.
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> At present, the comments that remain about the document are included for your information only but will naturally be removed before sending the document to the Chairs of the organisations having chartered the CCWG Internet Governance. The cover letter will explain how we hope that the text could be of use to members of the Chartering Organisations who are attending WTSA16.
> Statement of the ICANN Community concerning the World Telecommunication Standardization Assembly Proposal[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1oQqqlEd8ZCQUnQKVTPMZkjeVSfvKoumFXTDnTXIiJMs_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DQMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=tNvaqqibhBeQfkDYGyZ18F4MX_FcQHR3Do300-N6HUI&s=NsALV_1T5eMD-zjGzeM5o7VZXnzdINIkdVZqZKXHCUE&e=>
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> To: ASO, GNSO, ccNSO, GAC, ALAC, SSAC From: ICANN Cross Community Working Group on Internet Governance The CCWG-IG wishes to bring the following issue of concern to your attention: Proposal to amend World Telecommunication Standardization Assembly Resolution 47 The members of the ICANN Cross ...
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> Many people from across the working group's Chartering Organisations have contributed to this text. The Co-Chairs have therefore frozen the document as it currently stands and only major amendments to rectify inaccurate, wrong, or potentially damaging content will be allowed, bearing in mind that might affect consensus and delay the transmission of the document to the Chartering Organisations.
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> This Consensus Call will close at 12:00 UTC on Friday 28 October 2016.
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