[ccwg-internet-governance] NOTE OF CCWG IG PUBLIC SESSION AT ICANN 61; MONDAY 12/3

Nigel Hickson nigel.hickson at icann.org
Thu Mar 22 08:50:57 UTC 2018



Good morning.  With apologies for delay, I attach below an informal Note of the IG public session held at ICANN 61 last week. I will circulate the full attendance list and the formal recording in due course. 















This was a very well attended, constructive and informative IG public Session.  It clearly showed a keen interest of the Community in understanding external legislative and policy initiatives that could have an impact on ICANN.  The overall approach being taken by the Organisation to identify themes which were most relevant for ICANN was welcomed. It was recognised that there were challenges ahead but also opportunities for ICANN in enhancing the understanding of policy makers of our work.  The GDPR and the potential limitation in registrant data publication on WHOIS was seen as a potential problem for ICANN more globally.  




See agenda posted at  https://61.schedule.icann.org/meetings/6477[61.schedule.icann.org]

   and the ICANN Wiki page for the CCWG IG is at https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=43984275[community.icann.org]


1. Introduction 


Olivier Crepin-Leblond (OCL) (co-chair) introduced session.  He outlined the form of Session and said we had interpretation and remote participation facilities.



2.  Evolving Internet Landscape (Tarek Kamel – TK)


TK noted a number of evolving issues which reflected a changing Internet policy landscape and how this affects ICANN engagement priorities.  

Are we seeing some symptoms of fatigue in IG issues in recent years; such as in the UN GGE on Cybersecurity and the CSTD work on Enhanced Cooperation not coming to conclusions 
There were also questions on reduced global business participation in IGF 
Do we see some thematic shifts in IG discussion, from concerns on bodies /locations to those on Internet policy issues; 
Do we see some shift to multilateral frameworks at global level? 
We saw focus on issues such as E-Commerce at WTO and Internet and Jurisdiction 
How far should be ICANN be involved in these thematic discussions? Will we be welcome? 
Also, technical developments can potentially affect us and the DNS? Should we be involved with these, such as 5G and mobile providers? 
We cannot be everywhere, where should we prioritize? 


In discussion 

What Board priorities are there on themes?  TK noted Board is looking for Community input in this regard; 


Matthew Shears (Chair Board WG) noted new strategic approach to IG – need to have a feel for what is coming down road and will affect ICANN 
Challenge of IG not gone away, just focus is elsewhere 
Steve Delbianco noted the IGF Panel in Geneva (2017) on DOA / Internet Identifiers / we should continue to discuss these issues in relation to DNS - important discussed in a multi-stakeholder setting – recognise that more business needed at IGF and this will happen given growing prominence of some Civil society sessions that were antagonistic to business)  
Andrew Mack agreed that IGF was a good venue to debate these business issues.   


3. IP Addressing – Challenges ahead?  



Pablo Hinojosa (APNIC) spoke on challenges to IG identifiers; thought dialogue was not “challenges” but opportunities; noted cooperation re ITU/RIR/ITU on these issues and also noted importance of engagement of all stakeholders in regional space; 


OCL asked whether there would be proposals re IP addressing etc at PP-18 


Nigel Hickson flagged that ITU PP-18 could be touching on names etc and also referenced WTO discussions and E Commerce Agenda 


Marilyn Cade said that within discussions on E Commerce identifiers would be part of it 



4. Tensions between multistakeholder and multilateral approaches? 


OCL posed the question as to whether there are tensions here and where they come from? 


Martin Botterman (ICANN Board) said they were not exclusive processes and both approaches could live together with cooperation 


Jimson Olufye gave an overview (as a way of an example) of the process of Enhanced Cooperation at and his initial optimism for the conclusion of this work; he went over history from WSIS onwards; noting the 2012 WG and then GA Decision in 2015 to set up 2nd WG which had recognised that in fact Enhanced Cooperation was taking place; the failure demonstrated how small minority views can scupper outcomes?   Question left open, was whether we needed a new structure for all of this?  


Olivier concluded that although Group had failed there was enhanced understanding. 


Israel Rosas noted that we have to be able to work with both multilateral and multistakeholder efforts. 


OCL– is ICANN taken as a good working model of Enhanced Cooperation? 


Jimson and some others thought that indeed ICANN Model is good model though Steve noted that  we must be judged by results and not just having a process; GDPR is a case in point?  So, problems for ICANN ahead? 


Greg Shatan – Noted the ISOC IG project as a good example of a multistakeholder process; 


Young Em Lee – We – through CCWG IG etc - have enhanced visibility and understanding of ICANN in different for such as ITU and UN 


Matthew– Noted that we much also recognised the success (or otherwise) of the MS model by what is taking place at the national and regional levels; like in UK, Brazil and elsewhere; 



5. Cybersecurity – Opening up to Multistakeholder approaches? 



Tatiana Tropina – noted all is not positive in the global dialogue on cybersecuirty; referenced Tim Berners Lee US speech (see          ) noting we must regulate business to prevent weaponisation of the Internet.  She did not agree there can be accommodation in this area between multilateral and multistakeholder approaches.   If we look at multilateral fora on cybersecuirty do we say any success? No GGE Experts failed; no threat from UN as have no competence or expertise.     


She also noted how the EU professes to support multistakeholder approaches but in reality, the EU has no such attributes. We must be honest and wake up! 


Pablo also said there was heat in the cybersecuirty dialogue, but that was important we bring players together.  The 2016 UN GGE (unbelievably) came up with ideas on CERTS without any input from CERT Community. 


Nigel noted need for input on all Technical Process; we will continue to make this point and provide factual information where we can 


TK  - answering a question concerning the MOU - referenced the security aspects of our work on GSMA - MOU will re-enforce this collaboration; he noted we will periodically report on the operation of this MOU 


Christopher Wilkinson was concerned MOU was rather high-level, said should update MOU with experience and introduce more concrete areas of collaboration 


Pablo and TK both referenced the work the I* organisations take forward together both at ITU, IGF and in other fora.



6.  Internet Governance and GDPR – a problem?


Greg was concerned about the potential fall out of WHOIS limitations post GDPR implementation by ICANN, and thought this could alienate support for ICANN among governments (both friendly and not). He thought some of our allies would turn to more multilateral positions for governance issues.  


He noted upcoming IGF USA will focus on whole range of issues of current concern. 


Tatiana thought that the enhancement of data protection for DNS players was positive. 



7.  IGF and NRIs 


Anja Gengo - noted that the Regional and National Initiatives NRIs) under the IGF were flourishing and discussing a whole range of issues  - also NRI vehicles are being used by governments for inputs on Internet policies, which is very positive.  


She noted there was lots of energy in NRIs and thanked ICANN for support of NRIs across many regions.  




8. Any other Business  


There was little time for any real discussion.  OCL flagged CCWG F2F Meeting on the Thursday and Nigel noted that all were welcome to join the CCWG IG; all we needed were dome details and a mail address.  




GE, ICANN; 18/3 


























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