[ccwg-internet-governance] Action Items re: Organisation of an IGF Workshop (was: Re: CCWG-IG call of Thursday, March 28)

Drazek, Keith kdrazek at verisign.com
Thu Apr 11 20:46:43 UTC 2019

Hi all,

I have concerns about the CCEG-IG and ICANN Org proposing an IGF workshop on SSR (or on any subject) without adequate coordination and vetting of the proposal, panelists, subject matter, and messaging. I was happy to have been able to jump in and help with today’s WSIS Forum session on the EPDP, but I think we need to be more deliberate in our planning and decision-making around externally-facing engagements. I am not comfortable with proposing this session without sufficient preparation and agreement, neither of which I’ve seen. We’re probably better off not proposing a session at all, rather than scrambling to fit something in at the 11th hour.



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Good morning.  Let me just note a few points:

1. If the CCWG decides to go forward with Option 2 (as outlined below); we would need;

(i) A few paragraphs describing the objective of Workshop and what it would cover;

(ii) The identification of at least 3-4 diverse panellists that have agreed to take part;

2. We need to conclude this by close tomorrow to allow submission through the IGF site etc;



From: ccwg-internet-governance <ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>>
Date: Thursday, 11 April 2019 at 11:15
To: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>>, ccwg <ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] Action Items re: Organisation of an IGF Workshop (was: Re: CCWG-IG call of Thursday, March 28)

Dear colleagues,

thank you for your input. I have received further input offline and need to also let you know that there have been some changes to our WSIS Forum session.
Originally we thought that we could get a discussion going on the results of EPDP Phase 1. However we were faced with a lack of people being at WSIS, thus leading to an unbalanced panel. I understand that since Phase 1 is intimately connected to Phase 2 and since this has been a very sensitive topic, we have had to change the format so as to avoid interfering with the process. Thus the WSIS Forum proposal has been changed to an informational session whereas we'll have the GNSO Chair Keith Drazek reporting remotely on how the GNSO creates policy, how an EPDP is different from a PDP. We'll then have Phase 1 Chair Kurt Pritz reporting on the process of the EPDP Phase 1 as well as its main findings. Then an ICANN member of Staff Elena Plexida, explaining the role of the TSG, and finally I'll provide a list of the Phase 2 issues.

Given this change, this also affects any proposal we make for IGF. With the Phase 2 issues being what they are, there is no guarantee today that Phase 2 work will have been concluded by the time the IGF takes place. As a result, it would probably be unwise to open up a debate outside the EPDP Phase 2 group, that is outward facing and that could complicate the search for consensus within the EPDP. For this reason, and given the sensitivities revolving about this topic, going for Option 2 with a focus on SSR, thus inviting SSAC and RSSAC, as well as OCTO to discuss threats to the Global Internet's system identifiers, given the recent OCTO Press releases, sounds like a good idea.
https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2019-02-04-en [icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_announcement-2D2019-2D02-2D04-2Den&d=DwMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=enu6yHtxB75FR8dL8MfOlTxXUY6wef-KVmlyJWIdrMQ&s=8imFzo8oKctQYlfEgaj0m1z7awTUPGsi4iiGj_bg0Ug&e=>
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Please comment as soon as possible, including suggesting speakers. We have until this coming Sunday to submit the proposal, but would really like to have a first draft out by tomorrow, Friday 12th April.
Kindest regards,


On 05/04/2019 11:56, Marilyn Cade wrote:

   As I nominated, and strongly support Option 2, with a focus on SSR, I will try to again champion that and explain why.

   I fail to see the benefit of having a status update about EPDP -- and that is in fact, not what the IGF is supposed to be about.  Workshop criteria requires that there be all views, and increasingly, there is an effort to identify possible "outcomes/outputs" from the workshops and main sessions.

   What would an EPDP "workshop" look like? would it be "to EPDP, or not to EPDP? If it is about why to EPDP, or is an update overall about the issues about access to accurate data, someone should do a mini write up to describe it.

   On the other hand, the risks and threats to the global Internet from security; alternate proposals from nation states, protection of end users -- both businesses and citizens, and indeed government supplied services -- could make a very interesting workshop and allow us to bring in more senior speakers/experts.

   So, I advocate again for option 2.



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   Subject: Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] Action Items re: Organisation of an IGF Workshop (was: Re: CCWG-IG call of Thursday, March 28)

   Dear Colleagues,

   a kind reminder - I have received no response to the enquiry below and our original deadline was yesterday 4th April. Please be so kind to comment ASAP.
   Kindest regards,


   On 28/03/2019 18:46, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:

      Dear Colleagues,

      on today's CCWG IG call, agenda item (3) focussed on the organisation of an IGF workshop in Berlin.

      The CCWG IG has made a proposal for an IGF workshop/roundtable for several years: https://community.icann.org/display/CPMMB/Internet+Governance+Forum [nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fcommunity.icann.org-252Fdisplay-252FCPMMB-252FInternet-252BGovernance-252BForum-26data-3D02-257C01-257C-257C8dca14b4882e44d6b71108d6b9924e10-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C636900435403535674-26sdata-3D98DuMjRk8yY9gdCHygAKK09KDQi3PaNLeqOHqLPhk2M-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=enu6yHtxB75FR8dL8MfOlTxXUY6wef-KVmlyJWIdrMQ&s=9tUQzMx2D8jxiEv_-HzBjXTKpnJNpiXTLexpJLRjhzU&e=>
      Last year was the first year a workshop proposal was not approved and this was likely due to IGF Paris being much shorter than usual. In 2019, it is anticipated that the IGF in Berlin will revert to its usual format, thus there is a better chance that a workshop proposal would be accepted than last year.

      On today's call several options were proposed:

      Option 1

      A workshop/roundtable focussed on EPDP topic - similar to the topic we have proposed for the WSIS Forum: a workshop that puts together stakeholders taking part in the EPDP phases 1 and 2.
      By November 2019, implementation of phase 1 would have started and phase 2 would be in full swing. Some of the discussions taking place at IGF might benefit the work of the EPDP Team
      Workshop based on phase 1 but concentrating on phase 2. Focus should be on Phase 2. The workshop could be useful in brainstorming standardised access.

      Option 2

      3 topical areas:

      - Data governance
      - Security
      - Stability (needs community speakers) of the DNS. A growing concern for safety and security of individuals. How resilient is the Internet / Alternative Security in the Internet.
      This topic has the advantage to be more predictable than a focus that is solely on EPDP Work Stream 2. We could work with SSAC and RSSAC but also all stakeholders at ICANN that work on stability and security, across all SOs and ACs to populate the workshop.

      One could argue that the EPDP Phase 2 work, access, is part of security. Security and Stability workshop could include the sub-topic of Phase 2 EPDP - the need or use of gTLD registration data to preserve security and stability of the DNS.

      If Option 2 is preferred instead of Option 1, one could have the topic of Option 1 proposed as a Flash session on WorkStream 2. A way to provide a briefing and an update on WorkStream 2.

      On the call, our action item was that I should share Option 1 and 2 on the mailing list, with a deadline of 5 working days (4th April 2019), to give the Team enough time to build the Session Proposal. The deadline for submitting workshop proposals at the IGF is 12th April.

      Kindest regards,


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