[ccwg-internet-governance] Proposing a non-charter for the group

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond ocl at gih.com
Tue Aug 6 19:27:15 UTC 2019


Dear Lori,

they did appear - I believe authored by "IPC Treasurer".
Thanks,

Olivier

ps. Google Doc is
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G8GMxFGnMzk92o6BSIqka6irT_GPv2c3hCHi09Bu7LY/edit?usp=sharing

On 06/08/2019 16:51, Lori Schulman wrote:
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> Hi,
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>  
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> I put them straight into the Google doc.  Did they not appear?  I will
> check again.
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>  
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> Lori
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>  
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> Lori S. Schulman
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> Senior Director, Internet Policy
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> *International Trademark Association (INTA)*
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> +1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman
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>  
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>  
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>  
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> *From:* Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 06, 2019 10:51 AM
> *To:* Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; William Drake
> <wjdrake at gmail.com>; ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] Proposing a non-charter for
> the group
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>  
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> Lori,can you resend your edits. I was not able to locate them, but in
> general, your words resonated with me.
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> *From:*ccwg-internet-governance
> <ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Lori
> Schulman <lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:15 AM
> *To:* William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>;
> ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org
> <mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>
> <ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org
> <mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>>
> *Subject:* Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] Proposing a non-charter for
> the group
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>  
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> Hi,
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>  
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> I agree that Non-Charter or Operating Procedures describes this
> document best.  I have also taken the liberty of suggesting some
> drafting to the preamble and some of the following language by
> replacing words like “threats” with “challenges” and other softer
> language. My thoughts are that without these changes, the document
> reads defensive, almost angry and that is not the position that ICANN
> should be transmitting.  This is about positive engagement in areas
> where the multi-stakeholder model is either not being used nor ICANN’s
> processes considered in policy debates.  I think that is different
> than “threats” to the mission.  It is about what “impacts”  the
> mission.   The hodgepodge known as internet governance is unwieldy at
> best and I recommend that our documents convey the message is that
> active engagement enhances or strengthens the mission rather than
> threaten or undermine it.
>
>  
>
> Looking forward to the conversation.
>
>  
>
> Lori
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>  
>
> Lori S. Schulman
>
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>
> *International Trademark Association (INTA)*
>
> +1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman
>
>  
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> *From:* ccwg-internet-governance
> <ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org>> *On Behalf Of
> *William Drake
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 06, 2019 6:38 AM
> *To:* ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org
> <mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] Proposing a non-charter for
> the group
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> Hi
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> I support the non-charter, which is appropriately calibrated to the
> situation.
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>  
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> Just to echo one of Marilyn’s points
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>     On Aug 5, 2019, at 20:08, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com
>     <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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>      
>
>     I will do my best to be on at least part of this call, but I have
>     other responsibilities re the CCWG-AP.
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>      
>
>     First, let me commend the ICANN staff for sharing the ITU document
>     about the WTPF. The ITU continues to overstep its core boundaries,
>
>  
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> As evidenced by the long campaign by staff and supporting countries to
> add “/ICT” to “telecom” in everything they do…so the Draft Outline of
> the Report by the ITU Secretary-General that Nigel shared starts by
> saying that the "World Telecommunication/Information and Communication
> Technology Policy Forum (WTPF) has been successfully convened in
> 1996, 1998, 2001, 2009 and 2013,” which is a bit revisionist since the
> first four meetings were actually called World Telecommunication
> Policy Forums, consistent with the mandate.  And this one will explore
> such traditional public telecom issues as "AI, IoT, 5G, Big Data, OTTs
> etc.”  It should be a lively event with the usual governments looking
> to adopt normative language expanding the mandate into all kinds of
> Internet issues (but of course, the SG says they don’t do Internet
> governance, so no worries :-)
>
>  
>
> I take Marilyn’s point that there are other agencies of interest too,
> but it’d be really good if interested people from the ICANN community
> were to participate with written inputs or on site here in Geneva.
>  May 2021 is a long way off but the preparatory process has started.
>
>  
>
> Cheers
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>  
>
> Bill
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>  
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>     and all of us need to be reminding other UN agencies -- and I
>     mean, ICANN Org needs to do this as well as the ICANN stakeholder
>     community -- that when they are the "owner or a primary" they need
>     to step up to the ITU and while recognizing it is "one" player it
>     is not the sole player.
>
>      
>
>     ICANN Org -- and I am going to be very frank here -- seems to
>     think that by spending time with the ITU, they are creating
>     friends and family, because some do come from these founding. WE
>     must insist that ICANN Org get outside its comfort zone and make
>     the CSTD, the UNCTAD, the UNESCO, and UNDP are our best friends. 
>
>      
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>     Ignoring their role means that the ITU staff who mean very well,
>     work ONLY with the regulators, or the Ministries of Comms/IT, but
>     we all understand that achieving the SDGs means: engaging
>     Ministries of Health, development, agriculture, finance... and
>     Youth... 
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>      
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>     I'd like to see the similar documents from the other major UN
>     agencies shared with this group, please.
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>      
>
>     Marilyn Cade
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>      
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>     *From:* ccwg-internet-governance
>     <ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org
>     <mailto:ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of
>     Sam Lanfranco <sam at lanfranco.net <mailto:sam at lanfranco.net>>
>     *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2019 12:26 PM
>     *To:* Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>>
>     *Cc:* ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org
>     <mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org> <ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org
>     <mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] Proposing a non-charter
>     for the group
>
>      
>
>     Olivier, 
>
>     Diversity is essential to ecosystem survival. The ICANN ecosystem
>     tolerated a non-chartered "working party" around human rights. We
>     have all learned to consume "zero-draft" versions of preliminary
>     documents. Non-Charter is better than zero-Charter, and
>     null-Charter or nil-charter would certainly not work. 
>
>     Regrets for tomorrow's meeting. I will be in transit.
>
>     Sam Lanfranco, NPOC
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>          
>
>             On 3 Aug 2019, at 17:06, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>             <ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>> wrote:
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>              
>
>             Dear colleagues,
>
>             on this forthcoming Tuesday's call, we'll have some time
>             set aside to re-define the "Charter" of the CCEG based on
>             the results of the discussions that were held at our last
>             meeting in Marrakesh.
>             First, it is a "non-Charter" - as we had decided that this
>             group was not going to be Chartered. If you have a
>             proposal for a less ambiguous term, please don't hesitate
>             to make it. I do feel like some document is needed to
>             define the group as it will help in focussing our
>             information exchange, so this is my first stab at it.
>             What I have done is to take the CCEG Charter and strip it
>             of any mention of chartering. I also removed the allusion
>             to "member" as this should be an open group, thus everyone
>             will be either participants or observers, as they choose
>             to be. A few other things have been removed as well, such
>             as finding consensus and making decisions - as this is
>             what we have received most objections about. And of course
>             any mention of CCEG has been replaced with another funky
>             acronym, the Internet Governance Engagement Group - IGEG -
>             which my French ears tell me sounds better than EGIG - you
>             might disagree.
>             Anyway, here's the document: 
>             https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G8GMxFGnMzk92o6BSIqka6irT_GPv2c3hCHi09Bu7LY/edit?usp=sharing
>             <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1G8GMxFGnMzk92o6BSIqka6irT_GPv2c3hCHi09Bu7LY%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbca1398e78a24486cf5d08d71a7899a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637006977589458694&sdata=EiyF8dFJbGmegBV%2BnLKzURG9qgNkn9w7PrBcZh7h%2FgM%3D&reserved=0>
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>             Please comment,
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>             Olivier
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Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
http://www.gih.com/ocl.html

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