[ccwg-internet-governance] ITU-D SECTOR MEMBER APPLICATION

Ken Stubbs kstubbs at afilias.info
Fri Mar 1 19:28:19 UTC 2019


+1 Marilyn

Ken Stubbs



On 3/1/19 12:32, Marilyn Cade wrote:
> I think that the Board members are hearing from ICANN Org staff but 
> somehow perhaps not hearing from the broader community on this topic.
>
> Can the ICANN staff please share the recommendation and the 
> justification for the recommendation for sector membership to the 
> CCWG-IG list?
> I believe the past discussions on this list and during our f-f 
> meetings would have indicated this is at least a courtesy, if not even 
> more.
>
> Marilyn
>
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> *From:* William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 1, 2019 12:25 PM
> *To:* Marilyn Cade
> *Cc:* Nigel Hickson; ccwg
> *Subject:* Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] ITU-D SECTOR MEMBER APPLICATION
> Hi
>
> Further to Marilyn’s comment, FWIW I remain of the view I expressed 
> last summer in response to Jim:
>
>> On Jun 24, 2018, at 17:22, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 10:07 AM Jim Prendergast <jim at galwaysg.com 
>> <mailto:jim at galwaysg.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     What wasn’t clear to me is what is ICANN currently not getting
>>     that sector membership will get them?
>>
>>
>> ​Treatment as a stakeholder in ITU's processes rather than ​as an 
>> independent and equal global governance organization and community?
>
> ITU “org” and many members historically have been reluctant to 
> recognize multistakeholder orgs as peer entities even if they’re 
> involved in international governance decision making.  But ITU does 
> e.g. have collaborative relations with e.g. the ISO and IEC, and the 
> Internet resolutions do e.g. call on ITU to "to explore ways and means 
> for greater collaboration and coordination between ITU and relevant 
> organizations involved in the development of IP-based networks and the 
> future Internet…”  Maybe it’s dreaming to think ICANN ever could get 
> normal observer status, but doesn't joining them as a member on par 
> with these bodies 
> https://www.itu.int/online/mm/scripts/gensel11?_memb=SAU&_sect=D 
> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.itu.int%2Fonline%2Fmm%2Fscripts%2Fgensel11%3F_memb%3DSAU%26_sect%3DD&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf62726dbbcf54ddb33f508d69e6af2c6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636870579504445810&sdata=6rknTt7ai44m4nlVwltf4LSA6S3MDPr9fPeoUp%2BRKnA%3D&reserved=0> sort 
> of lean away from any need to consider such solutions?
>
> Not trying to be difficult, but agree it’d be good to hear the 
> assessment of costs/benefits…
>
> Best
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>> On Mar 1, 2019, at 14:52, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com 
>> <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Nigel, many of us, myself included, raised strong concerns about this 
>> staff led initiative, which does not reflect the full input of the 
>> ICANN Community.
>>
>> I'd like to have this added to the discussion on this list, BEFORE 
>> THE BOARD VOTES, which seems to be over the week end before Kobe -- 
>> eg. 7th/8th?
>>
>> I understand that the proposal is to become a sector member of ITU-D, 
>> and I also understand that the work done in that sector is 
>> potentially complementary; however, ICANN staff seem to continually 
>> assume that the ITU is more important than UNESCO; UNCTAD, WIPO.
>>
>> It would be helpful to have an overall explanation of ICANN Org 
>> recommendation about engagement in the broader suite of UN 
>> organizations. Each has a relevance for the ICANN mission/core 
>> activities, and hearing from ICANN Org staff how they are addressing 
>> engagement with these other UN entities will be exceptionally helpful.
>>
>> To start, it would be helpful to see ICANN org's responses to 
>> questions that have been raised about the risks/benefits described 
>> for the broader community in becoming a sector member.
>>
>> I have seen statements like: "we" don't like to have to ask 
>> permission, or "we as staff are uncomfortable with not being treated 
>> on an equal footing.  Or, we have a great relationship with the ITU 
>> leadership. etc. etc.
>>
>> I look forward to hearing further explanation about how the 
>> community's views were taken into account.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marilyn Cade
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 4:46 PM Nigel Hickson 
>> <nigel.hickson at icann.org <mailto:nigel.hickson at icann.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Colleagues
>>
>>     In respect of previous dialogue on this issue; please see below
>>
>>     https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2019-02-28-en
>>     <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann.org%2Fnews%2Fannouncement-2-2019-02-28-en&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf62726dbbcf54ddb33f508d69e6af2c6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636870579504465831&sdata=aNxe6KQa%2FcpcR8ngY4%2FUS1ydSUA1oORrotg36%2B7nRxw%3D&reserved=0>
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>>     Best
>>
>>     Nigel
>>
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