[ccwg-internet-governance] New Thread: what should CCWG-IG propose for discussion topics at ICANN66?/gathering information re IGF2019

Yeseul Kim borisu0815 at gmail.com
Mon Sep 9 03:14:12 UTC 2019


Thanks Marilyn.

I totally agree with you on the idea that such articles should be published
independently, not with the name of ICANN or CCWG-IG. Just thought that
circulating the news might be helpful for making us think more about the
outcomes of the patent. I mean, what Alibaba has proposed is really an
interesting scheme for blockchain governance and I do believe that  more
people might be interested and would like to have a look at the idea
itself.

And although I will miss this year’s IGF, I could already find so many
interesting and important sessions to be held during the forum according to
its published schedule so expecting to follow the discussions online. And
yes it ill be more than helpful for all of us if ICANN can do the survey on
who’s gonna have his/her own session during the IGF this year☺️

And thanks Laurent for initiating this talk and letting us know what’s
happening out there.  This is really an interesting topic.



Best,
Yeseul

On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 9:41 PM Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I believe strongly that CCWG-IG needs to remain very focused on  broadly
> relevant topics for the public sessions and our discussions, to fulfill our
> mission, as we are still struggling to demonstrate our relevance.
>
> Also, we have agreed, I think, that we aren't publishing "consensus"
> documents, so not sure that the CCWG-IG is qualified /or has resources/or
> expertise to draft an external article about such a topic.  *That doesn't
> mean that individuals who are individually interested couldn't do that, but
> not as ICANN. And not as the CCWG-IG. *
>
> In our earlier days, we struggled to gain support to do the town hall that
> led to the statement for NetMundial, and there are concerns in some parts
> of the community about the CCWG-IG [under our new charter] speaking for the
> community, or for ICANN. I think we are about providing current updates
> from a wide range of the communities, considering those, and providing
> informed input to the Board WG on IG, and the rest of the community.
>
> As to updating on who is doing what at IGF2019. the ICANN staff could do a
> survey monkey to this list, and ask for such information, including a click
> the box to give permission to publish that, remembering that none of us
> actually speak for ICANN, or for the CCWG-IG.
>
> The ICANN staff can provide the times and events of ICANN.
>
> Finally, I would strongly suggest that gathering this information about
> who is attending from the CCWG-IG could help to identify invitations to the
> joint ICANN/ISOC reception, if there will be one at Berlin.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Yeseul Kim <borisu0815 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 6, 2019 5:07 AM
> *To:* Laurent Ferrali <laurent.ferrali at icann.org>
> *Cc:* Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com>; ccwg <
> ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] [Ext] Re: Proposal to be
> discussed on Thursday Aug 29 in the ITU SG-17
>
> Thanks Laurent for the update.
>
> What about discussing this issue - Alibaba’s filing for patent issues - at
> this year’s IGF if any of the people here will have their own sessions this
> year? Or writing an article on medium.com
> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C783c92155cdf471562ad08d732a9ac80%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637033576627978894&sdata=Bj%2BAn9d%2B7LQ8n8nSaELkmjlLhbqBk3r5%2BYH4qAJI6Uo%3D&reserved=0>
> or bringing this topic to Berkman Klein Center or other relevant
> educational institutions seem to be another option?
>
> It will also be interesting and informative for all of us if we can have
> our brief discussion during the next ICANN meeting in Montréal.
>
>
>
> Best,
> Yeseul
>
> On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 5:12 PM Laurent Ferrali <laurent.ferrali at icann.org>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Marylin,
>
>
>
> Thank you very much for your message and this kind introduction, and sorry
> for this late answer.
>
>
>
> Please find below some background fact based information (from a
> political/governance perspective). This is for your information and doesn’t
> reflect ICANN’s position on this issue.
>
>
>
>    - Several blockchain industry key players are using alternative domain
>    names for their blockchain operations. Domain names currently in use by the
>    Blockchain industry:
>       - Namecoin is using .bit
>       - EMercoin is using .coin
>       - Ethereum is using .eth
>    - But the interoperability between blockchain platforms and networks
>    remains limited, impeding the development of the technology on a wide scale
>    (Existing interoperability solutions, such as COSMOS, only have a local
>    scope and cannot be used outside the relay chain network)
>    - In November 2018, Alibaba filed a PCT (international) patent
>    application for a "unified domain name" and management scheme for
>    cross-chain interactions, which is now being fast-tracked in various
>    jurisdictions. This system is intended to be used as a unified means of
>    managing domain names in cross-chain interactions across blockchain systems.
>    - According to the filing, Alibaba intends to patent a system that
>    uses what they call a “unified blockchain domain name” (UBCDN) in order to
>    denote and share information. In the system, Alibaba proposes to use a
>    computing system to generate a UBCDN message which contains a blockchain
>    domain name and a chain identifier that is paired with that name. This
>    UBCDN system is intended to be used as a unified means of managing domain
>    names in cross-chain interactions across blockchain systems. See the PCT
>    patent application in Attachment, and the following press article
>    https://cointelegraph.com/news/alibaba-files-us-patent-for-blockchain-domain-name-management-system
>    <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcointelegraph.com%2Fnews%2Falibaba-files-us-patent-for-blockchain-domain-name-management-system&data=02%7C01%7C%7C783c92155cdf471562ad08d732a9ac80%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637033576627988905&sdata=%2BgwZDIybGp7n2RowAYVcRIsQPbeuvrQ%2BggTl6kDDThw%3D&reserved=0>
>    - In the meantime, Alibaba has been selected by the Central Bank of
>    China as one of the operators for the new China’s state-backed
>    cryptocurrency
>    <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fmichaeldelcastillo%2F2019%2F08%2F27%2Falibaba-tencent-five-others-to-recieve-first-chinese-government-cryptocurrency%2F%2359c7e6161a51&data=02%7C01%7C%7C783c92155cdf471562ad08d732a9ac80%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637033576627998910&sdata=zJTejAaXIkeLkCQnBPz9VRsNsnwyWUWjFiMYfXB9PCQ%3D&reserved=0>
>    - Such a system would mirror, for blockchain, the domain name system
>    of the Internet.
>    - Putting in place such a system is not only desirable, it is needed
>    for blockchain to have a transformative impact on a global scale. A we
>    know, the Internet would not have had the impact it has had if the
>    management of domain names had been "privatized" and the main protocols
>    patented
>    - So for some experts, these latest developments make the need for
>    blockchain-focused multi-stakeholder governance structures more urgent than
>    ever.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> Laurent
>
> *From: *Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday, August 30, 2019 at 2:39 PM
> *To: *Laurent Ferrali <laurent.ferrali at icann.org>
> *Cc: *Jim Prendergast <jim at galwaysg.com>, Nigel Hickson <
> nigel.hickson at icann.org>, ccwg <ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] Proposal to be discussed
> on Thursday Aug 29 in the ITU SG-17
>
>
>
> Laurent, thanks for this information.
>
>
>
> For those who don't know him well, in my view, Laurent is a serious
> technical expert at ICANN we can ask for more information.
>
>
>
> I wondered, Laurent, if you might give us a few paragraphs about what
> managing blockchain domain names means?
>
>
>
> I confess, I was either confused, or bemused.
>
>
>
> but expect we need to understand!
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Laurent Ferrali <laurent.ferrali at icann.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2019 9:10 AM
> *To:* Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* Jim Prendergast <jim at galwaysg.com>; Nigel Hickson <
> nigel.hickson at icann.org>; ccwg <ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] Proposal to be discussed on
> Thursday Aug 29 in the ITU SG-17
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I just want to flag that in the meantime Alibaba has recently filed
> several patent applications about managing blockchain domain names , with
> the EUPIO (Europe), United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) and
> with IP office of Singapore.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Laurent
>
> Envoyé de mon iPhone
>
>
> Le 29 août 2019 à 12:46, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com> a écrit :
>
> I think this is indeed of concern, Jim. Thanks for forwarding it to the
> group.
>
> I believe that ICANN participants in SG-17, but I am not sure if the RIRs
> /Root Server Operators are presently involved.
>
>
>
> Notice how limited the author list is.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* ccwg-internet-governance <
> ccwg-internet-governance-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Jim Prendergast <
> jim at GALWAYSG.COM>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2019 11:46 AM
> *To:* Nigel Hickson <nigel.hickson at icann.org>; ccwg <
> ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [ccwg-internet-governance] Proposal to be discussed on
> Thursday Aug 29 in the ITU SG-17
>
>
>
> Nigel and all – has ICANN or anyone else been tracking the attached
> proposal?
>
>
>
> It was just sent to me and admittedly it’s a bit beyond my area of
> expertise but some of the language concerns me.  Am I over thinking it?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Jim Prendergast
>
> The Galway Strategy Group
>
> +1 202 285 3699
>
> @jimpren
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 Best regards,
 Yeseul Kim
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