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    Dear Bill,<br>
    <br>
    I do not know whether this is coincidental or whether the publishing
    of the schedule got things moving but Nigel Hickson got in touch
    with me yesterday and we spoke this morning. He is in charge of
    organising the Internet Governance Session which you mention and is
    looking for panellists.<br>
    I told him that the best way would be if he could drop me a few
    lines in an email, of the topics he was planning to cover in that
    session - and I would forward his email to the CCWG's mailing list,
    thus we would be able to respond collectively. As soon as I receive
    his email, I'll forward it to the list.<br>
    <br>
    Kind regards,<br>
    <br>
    Olivier<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/09/2014 15:48, William Drake
      wrote:<br>
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      Hi
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      <div>Like everyone else I’m sure I notice that the schedule is up
        today, and there’s ye ole Internet governance session, again
        being planned by staff I suppose.  Didn’t we say before that
        this is something the community should be doing via the CWG?
         Seems an appropriate role...</div>
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      <div>Anyway</div>
      <div><br>
        <div>
          <div>On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:50 PM, Marilyn Cade &lt;<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>&gt;
            wrote:</div>
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              <div dir="ltr">My apologies to miss the call. 
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                <div>NETmundial Initiative:   am not sure what the
                  question is about being involved with the NETmundial
                  Initiative?</div>
                <div>My understanding is that it is evolving, Look
                  forward to any further news from WEF </div>
                <div> on any changes in the Initiative, based on input
                  they have</div>
                <div>been receiving.  I do support Bill's request that
                  disclosure by any of us engaging in the Initiative
                  disclose that, and what ever role is being played.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>But, I first have a question about what we would
                  discuss in this WG: </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Do you mean that the role that ICANN CEO, Board,
                  and staff are taking in the NETmundial Initiative </div>
                <div>and how that aligns with the views of the broader
                  community regarding ICANN's initiating and driving</div>
                <div>IG initiatives, funding, etc?</div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>It’s not clear how deeply ICANN will be involved going
            forward.  In any event, WEF will be putting out new
            information within the week they say. Whether the NMI is
            something that this CWG should be particularly concerned
            about depends on whether “the community” per se wishes to
            interface with it in a collective cross-comm way.  The idea
            is that there will be a Steering Committee to oversee the
            projects/platform and maybe a working group below that
            that’s more hands on.  Then there will be an open online
            platform for people to provide inputs on the projects, or to
            propose new ones.  One imagines that various business, civil
            society and technical community groupings will provide
            inputs, and perhaps also actual bodies (i.e. civil society
            is providing names for the CS people to be on the SC).
             Given this, does the CWG have a distinctive role to play?  
            If there were to be any inter-SG coordination on interfacing
            with the initiative, one could argue it should have been
            1NET.  But 1NET may be on its last legs...   </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Might be worth talking a bit about this but not have it
            take over the meeting.</div>
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                <div>I understand that Fadi is speaking at a special
                  ICANN organized event tomorrow in Geneva for
                  Governments and IGOs. Perhaps his speech will also be
                  illuminating. Undoubtedly it will be posted on the
                  ICANN website. </div>
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          <div><br>
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          Think that was yesterday, I missed it due to teaching.  The
          invite letter was a site to behold.<br>
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                <div>2. Disposition of ICANN Funding to IG 'hotspots' -
                  should we change this to what is the role of this CCWG
                  in commenting on Disposition of ICANN Budget or excess
                  funds in IG areas?</div>
                <div>Perhaps it is good to start with an understanding
                  of the last year's budget expenditures on IG
                  activities,</div>
                <div>including NETmundial, etc. and this year's proposed
                  expenditures. I assume that the five Panels </div>
                <div>and NETMundial all fit into an overview of how
                  ICANN is supporting IG activities. However, I am not
                  sure </div>
                <div>that this CCWG is responsible for budget oversight.
                  :-) Only that it is important to understand what ICANN</div>
                <div> is doing in IG already, and I when there is
                  consensus, to offer guidance to the Board, CEO and
                  Senior Staff.</div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          Fadi says he’s announcing a new and limiting model for
          non-ICANN budgetary expenditures in LA.  </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I understand that many people have concerns about this, but
          personally am not sure that the CWG on IG is necessarily the
          best place to be dealing with budgetary oversight.<br>
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                <div>The question of ICANN's handling of excess funds,
                  wherever they come from, may have to be taken up in a
                  different </div>
                <div>manner, but definately should have community
                  participation.  Some of us participated in the
                  development of an external </div>
                <div>foundation approach back in the days when there was
                  examination of the auction of the single letters in
                  .com and .net.</div>
                <div>That proposal was initially drafted by me, but had
                  input from several CS participants. It insisted on an
                  arms length </div>
                <div>relationship from ICANN, and established categories
                  of activities-- all focused on capacity building,
                  participation in ICANN</div>
                <div>and related entities, and a significant
                  contribution to the IGF Trust Fund. I mention it only
                  as an example of various ideas in the past</div>
                <div>about how to deal with funds that are not part of
                  ICANN's core budget. </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>The long needed budget Working Group is a better
                  place to take up more detailed ICANN Budget oversight,
                  of course.  This CCWG would </div>
                <div>only opine on IG focused funding, right? </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>I do not consider this WG the right place to
                  address the question of ensuring that ICANN's Not for
                  Profit status be protected, but the Board and perhaps
                  the </div>
                <div>Senior staff may have different concepts of what
                  activities and events fall inside ICANN, what fall
                  outside ICANN but ICANN should support, and what are
                  in </div>
                <div>a sort of middle ground where more alignment is
                  needed between ICANN initiatives and community
                  concerns. And, what is clearly not within ICANN's </div>
                <div>scope.  I would put infrastructure funding of
                  networks in the latter, for example. :-) BUT, the
                  community might strongly support support to training
                  initiatives </div>
                <div>for ISPs in developing countries that build
                  capacity in DNS techniques, encourage participation in
                  the regional RiRs, provide training on universal
                  acceptance of gTLDs, etc. etc. So, I think that our
                  discussions have to be more informed.  </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>3. Charter Discussion</div>
              </div>
            </div>
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          <div><br>
          </div>
          It’d be good to resolve this.  Are groups proceeding with
          approvals?  Or is someone proposing a change that would
          require us backtracking and re-doing everything?<br>
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                <div>Adding in 4 as a possiblity: We prepared advise to
                  the CEO and staff and Board for NETmundial. Shouldn't
                  we pull that out and </div>
                <div>assess how well our advice was accepted?  </div>
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          <div><br>
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          Sounds like a reasonable thing to do<br>
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                <div>5. Looking at the Strategic Plan for its
                  implications for IG activities and role for ICANN
                  might also be a good work item for this CCWG, </div>
                <div>to then take back into the communities the
                  importance of engagement.</div>
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                <div>Marilyn Cade</div>
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          Cheers</div>
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        <div>Bill<br>
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                  <br>
                  <div>&gt; From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a><br>
                    &gt; Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:10:35 +0200<br>
                    &gt; To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a><br>
                    &gt; CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                      href="mailto:ccwg-internet-governance@icann.org">ccwg-internet-governance@icann.org</a><br>
                    &gt; Subject: Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] ACTION:
                    Los Angeles Meeting / Topics Needed / Charter Status<br>
                    &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; Hi<br>
                    &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; On Sep 19, 2014, at 8:54 PM, Olivier MJ
                    Crepin-Leblond &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>&gt;
                    wrote:<br>
                    &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; &gt; Dear CCWG on IG participants,<br>
                    &gt; &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; &gt; We just completed our conference call and
                    its recording is linked from<br>
                    &gt; &gt; the agenda page on<span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                      href="https://community.icann.org/x/uA3xAg">https://community.icann.org/x/uA3xAg</a><span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>.<br>
                    &gt; &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; &gt; 1. In preparation for the LA meeting,
                    would any WG participants please<br>
                    &gt; &gt; be so kind to identify whether they are
                    involved with the NetMundial<br>
                    &gt; &gt; Initiative? This is likely to be one of
                    the topics for discussion at the<br>
                    &gt; &gt; face to face meeting in LA.<br>
                    &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; I have been. They’ll be updating on various
                    later this week.<br>
                    &gt; &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; &gt; 2. Other topics proposed:<br>
                    &gt; &gt; - ICANN expenditure (which includes
                    auction proceeds etc.)<br>
                    &gt; &gt; - review of the various Internet
                    Governance Hotspots<br>
                    &gt; &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; &gt; Since many people could not make it to the
                    call, could you please let us<br>
                    &gt; &gt; know of other topics you would like to see
                    discussed at our F2F meeting<br>
                    &gt; &gt; in Los Angeles?<br>
                    &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; Interface/engagement with the wider community<br>
                    &gt; &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; &gt; 3. Charter discussions<br>
                    &gt; &gt; After today's conference call, I have sent
                    another email to SO &amp; AC<br>
                    &gt; &gt; Chairs to enquire about the Charter's
                    status in the various SO/ACs. I<br>
                    &gt; &gt; shall relate back to the WG as responses
                    are received, but will urge you<br>
                    &gt; &gt; all to check with your own constituency's
                    leadership on where this is<br>
                    &gt; &gt; going. The summer has been busy with
                    matters of NTIA Stewardship<br>
                    &gt; &gt; Transition &amp; Accountability Issues,
                    but we should not forget this thread<br>
                    &gt; &gt; is also important.<br>
                    &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; I suspect this may eat a good chunk of the
                    meeting…<br>
                    &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; Bill<br>
                    &gt; &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; &gt; Kindest regards,<br>
                    &gt; &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; &gt; Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond<br>
                    &gt; &gt; CCWG on IG co-facilitator<br>
                    &gt; &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; &gt;
                    _______________________________________________<br>
                    &gt; &gt; ccwg-internet-governance mailing list<br>
                    &gt; &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:ccwg-internet-governance@icann.org">ccwg-internet-governance@icann.org</a><br>
                    &gt; &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-internet-governance">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-internet-governance</a><br>
                    &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; ***********************************************<br>
                    &gt; William J. Drake<br>
                    &gt; International Fellow &amp; Lecturer<br>
                    &gt; Media Change &amp; Innovation Division, IPMZ<br>
                    &gt; University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>
                    &gt; Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,<span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; ICANN,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.ncuc.org/">www.ncuc.org</a><br>
                    &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a><span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(direct),<span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a><span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(lists),<br>
                    &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.williamdrake.org/">www.williamdrake.org</a><br>
                    &gt; ***********************************************<br>
                    &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                    &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
                    &gt; ccwg-internet-governance mailing list<br>
                    &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:ccwg-internet-governance@icann.org">ccwg-internet-governance@icann.org</a><br>
                    &gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-internet-governance">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-internet-governance</a></div>
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          ***********************************************<br>
          William J. Drake<br>
          International Fellow &amp; Lecturer<br>
            Media Change &amp; Innovation Division, IPMZ<br>
            University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>
          Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, <br>
            ICANN, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.ncuc.org">www.ncuc.org</a><br>
          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a> (direct), <a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>
          (lists),<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://www.williamdrake.org">www.williamdrake.org</a><br>
          ***********************************************
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