[ChineseGP] 回复: RE: FW: fortnightly meeting on 23rd Oct, Thursday

Fri Oct 24 10:01:47 UTC 2014

Dear Chris, 

    Agree to you, expect JGP to accept CCP's mapping and conveniently solve the problem of two applicants for '¼oÒÁ‡øÎÝ' and '¼oÒÁ¹úÎÝ'.

Regards,
          Qichao

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Ö÷Ìâ£º RE: [ChineseGP] FW: fortnightly meeting on 23rd Oct, Thursday
Dear Qi Chao,

Thank you for your email.
1.    I¡¯m hoping it will be refining, rather than redefining, the definition of ¡°variant¡±.
2.    Accepting the concept of universal variant (e.g. TC and SC) and lexical variant (e.g. ¼oÒÁ‡øÎÝ/¼oÒÁ¹úÎÝ) may be easier than having to add the new type/status of Independent.
3.    Whatever we do, it must not be possible for different applicants to apply for¼oÒÁ‡øÎÝ and ¼oÒÁ¹úÎÝ.
I think it¡¯s possible for a panel not to define variants in its table, to accept that variant mappings for each character are the same as other languages/panels and for variants to be decided at the LGR level. Cases like the ¼oÒÁ‡øÎÝ/¼oÒÁ¹úÎÝcase would thus be solved (recognized as variants of the same lable) at the LGR level , even though ‡ø and ¹ú are not defined as variants in the Japanese table.

Regards,

Chris.
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From: Æë³¬ [mailto:qichao at cnnic.cn] 
Sent: 24 October 2014 04:07
To: Dillon, Chris; ChineseGP at icann.org
Subject: »Ø¸´: [ChineseGP] FW: fortnightly meeting on 23rd Oct, Thursday

Dear Chris,

  Thank you for your comments. I give some technical comments below:

1. As you and Prof.Zhang have suggested, it might be time to redefine 'variant' for CGP/JGP in order to make a comprehensive rule for 'variant mapping' .

2. P2.2 is designed for code points, not for labels with mixed code points , and only two types - 'allocatable'/'blocked' - are defined for variant code points now. So 'Independent' , as a new type, need to be accepted by LGR ?(to be confirmed)

3. From the example of ¼oÒÁ‡øÎÝ/¼oÒÁ¹úÎÝ, there supposed to be also some relationship like 'variant' in new form and old form( ¹ú / ‡ø) , which may not be recognized by JGP. I wonder how to handle the conflict if ¼oÒÁ‡øÎÝ/¼oÒÁ¹úÎÝ are applied as tld by different applicants, and the problem is better handled by LGR, not by manual recognition. 

Regards,

                             Qi Chao

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Ö÷Ìâ£º [ChineseGP] FW: fortnightly meeting on 23rd Oct, Thursday
Dear colleagues,

I have some comments about the questions about variant mappings document. I¡¯m sorry if some of them were addressed during the meeting.

1. I¡¯m guessing we may need a new definition of variant, as°l f¨¡ ¡°send¡± andóŒ f¨¤ (Taiwanese Mandarin pronunciation f¨£ ¡°hair¡±) both TC variants of SC ·¢, for example, do not have ¡°the same pronunciations and the same meanings¡± in all of the languages.

2. I reckon that code points only have ¡°independent¡± status/type in the Japanese table, but that labels should be generated using the merged LGR rules, not local table rules.

3. In Japanese, ¹ú and ‡ø cannot be exchanged in most cases. However, there may be certain names e.g. ¼oÒÁ‡øÎÝ/¼oÒÁ¹úÎÝ where either form is common. The company seems to prefer the former; people write the latter. I would be interested to know what people do when word-processing. My software suggests the new form first, but then the old form. I wonder what percentage of people type which form. Personally, I would always type the form the company or person concerned preferred, if possible. There is a lot in a name.

Regards,

Chris.
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From: chinesegp-bounces at icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Wang Wei
Sent: 22 October 2014 03:19
To: ChineseGP at icann.org
Subject: [ChineseGP] fortnightly meeting on 23rd Oct, Thursday

Dear all

         It¡¯s been couple of weeks since the last fortnightly meeting.

         Tomorrow, I¡¯d like to share my slides for CDN variant workshop in ICANN 51

         And also, I drafted a document to illustrate C, J and K¡¯s understanding about the coordination principles. It seems there are still different views between us and some IP members.
         I will send the document to IP for their formal feedback after we discuss and reach a consensus.

         Meeting time: 3PM (Beijing time, UTC+8)

Regards
Wang Wei
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