[ChineseGP] Proposed Action items before Seoul meeting
HiroHOTTA
hotta at jprs.co.jp
Sat May 9 15:01:27 UTC 2015
Dear CJK colleagues,
<regarding ToDo-14>
JGP drafted its comments to IP's feedback on Yoneya's algorithm.
I hope CGP and KGP draft their own comments and send them to
Hiro<hotta at jprs.co.jp> and Yoneya<yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp> by
Monday night, 11 May. JGP will compile them all and send the
comments to UP.
IP's feedback, which was sent to us at midnight of 28 April, is
attached to this file for your reference.
Regards
Hiro
========
(1) about the annotation on slide #3
Could you elaborate more on what this annotation means? Especially,
we need to know exactly how 'script' should be used in RootLGR
project.
For example, Japanese language uses Kanji, Hiragana and Katakana.
In this case, is 'Japanese script' a proper usage? Or, is 'Kanji
script' a proper usage?
(2) about WLE (to annotation on slide #4)
Does this annotation intend to be based on the situation "some of
the WLE rules may be for strings that contain characters in
multiple scripts"? For example, it refers to WLE rules for strings
containing both Kanji and Hiragana, which are very common as
Japanese words ?
The annotation says that "WLE rules are not script-specific in the
procedure: there is only a single, common set.". Does this mean
every LGR-2 has the same WLE? If so, development of RootLGR won't
finish until the last Script LGR finished. Or does it mean every
LGR-2 which shares the same script has the same WLE?
If the answer is latter, CJK coordination steps has to have WLE
integration step which will require human intervention.
I would like to see the concrete image of LGR-2.
(3) about the term 'disposition' (to annotation on slide #6)
The annotation says that "Note: in the XML schema this is done via
the "type" attribute, on the <var> element and only labels have
dispositions". When we say "disposition" in LGR context, does it
mean label disposition? How can we say "attribute on the <var>
element" shortly? Attribute? Type? Disposition type?
It is very helpful if we (IP and GPs) use the same terminology.
(4) about (o) (disposition) type (to annotate on slide #11)
The annotation says that "Should be (b)?". Someone feels it should
be (o), and someone feels it should be (b). Whether it is (b) or
(o) doesn't make the result of WLE different (the label is invalid).
Is our understanding correct?
(5) about minimization of allocatable variant labels (to annotate on
slide #12 & #13 & #16)
The annotation says that "Overall, the goal of the IP is to help
the CJK-GPs to arrive at coordinated LGRs, such that the number of
allocatable variant labels is minimized.". My understanding is that
selection of delegated label(s) from "allocatable label(s)" is by
decision of applicant. And it is out of scope of RootLGR.
For Japanese language, it is impossible to predict which character
is allocatable and which is blocked individually because all
characters are allocatable independently. It depends on the
applicant's thought. JGP doesn't say all the variant labels should
be delegated. The number of delegated labels will be at most 2 or
3. But, for example, which labels are appropriate among the 16
variant labels to be allocated cannot be predefined in the RootLGR
level. Such limitation should be done in application proposal and
its evaluation because all the variant labels are valid in
Japanese case.
As a summary, we should not try to solve all the issuees by RootLGR,
we should think about appropriate mixture of RootLGR and
application evaluation rules/guidelines.
(6) about Han and Kana mixed labels (to annotate on slide #16)
The annotation says that "What about the case where a label is
applied for that combines Han and Kana characters in Japanese.
Which cases do we expect that the Han-variant can be substituted
for the applied for Han code point in such a mixed label? -- This
issue is specific to JGP, but it is affected by the design of the
Han variants -- unless JGP has a WLE rule to "block" variants for
mixed labels altogether.". For Japanese language, Han and Kana
can use with any combination. As mentioned above, it is impossible
to predict which character is allocatable and which is blocked
individually. Mixed use of Han and Kana does not affect it.
========
On Fri, 08 May 2015 17:11:04 +0900
HiroHOTTA <hotta at jprs.co.jp> wrote:
> Dear CJK Colleagues,
>
> Below I marked the progress status to each ToDo item except ToDo-1 to 4,
> which request each participant to build his/her own capacity about
> RootLGR. I put the progress status after "==>" following each ToDo in
> the list pasted below..
>
> Please check the progress status of your ToDo's. If correction is
> needed, please let me know.
>
> I added one ToDo which is
> ==
> ToDo-14<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP reviews the feedback from IP (a
> result of ToDo-5), drafts questions and comments
> to IP, and sends it to Hiro<hotta at jprs.co.jp> and
> Yoneya<yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp> by Monday night,
> 11 May
> and then, Hiro and Yoneya will compile the questions
> and comments into one file and send it to IP on
> Tuesday morning
>
> I added this because I believe we need to raise questions and comments
> to IP's response given in ToDo-5. I attach the subject document, which
> is the IP's response, for your reference.
>
> I hope you will work on this ToDo-14 and send your questions and
> comments to Hiro<hotta at jprs.co.jp> and Yoneya<yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp>
> by Monday night, 11 May.
>
> Regards,
> Hiro
>
> ========================================================================
>
> ToDo's
> 2nd draft (as of noon KST on 8 May)
>
> ==
>
> [[Premise]]
>
> ToDo-1 <must> Each participant understands what RootLGR is and
> what is expected for GPs to do.
>
> ToDo-2 <must> Each participant understands Yoneya's algorithm
> that was already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Yoneya and
> also agreed by C and J in Dallas, which is attached
> to this mail as well
>
> ToDo-3 <must> Each participant understands MSS concept that was
> already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Dr. Wang Wei, which
> is attached to this mail along with HiroHOTTA's
> response
>
> ToDo-4 <expected> Participants agree on Yoneya's algorithm as a
> framework and also agree on partial usage of MSS
> to accelerate our discussion ("partial" means
> "J doesn't need to be considered to be incorporated
> into MSS") This is expected to be discussed and
> finalized online before our meeting
>
> [[Integration Algorithm]]
>
> ToDo-5 <expected> J gets IP's feedback on Yoneya's algorithm
>
> ==> done
>
> [[MSS/LGR-1]]
>
> ToDo-6 <must> C prepares MSS repertoire, which may be
> equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 repertoire (done?)
>
> ==> done
>
> ToDo-7 <expected> C prepares Chinese variants within MSS, which may
> be equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 (planned date is
> expected to be declared, if not in time for the
> meeting)
>
> ==> done
>
> ToDo-8 <must> J prepares Japanese LGR-1 repertoire and variants
> (there's no variants in Japanese LGR-1 : they
> were already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP)
>
> ==> done
>
> ToDo-9 <must> K prepares the basic idea of Korean LGR-1 repertoire
> and variants
>
> ==> working (hopefully to be done by 14 May)
>
> ToDo-10<expected> K prepares Korean LGR-1 repertoire and variants
> (planned date is expected to be declared, ift
> LGR-1 does not come in time for the meeting)
>
> ==> working (hopefully to be done by 14 May)
>
> ToDo-11<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP assesses the repertoires and
> variants that have already been provided by other
> GPs as far as possible
>
> ==> working (C and J are assesing each other)
>
> [[Logistics/etc.]]
>
> ToDo-12<must> each CGP/JGP/KGP Chair designates a person in charge
> of ToDo-5 to ToDo-11 well in advance to the meeting
> (expected to post the (names) in replying this mail
> by May 1st) - this may accelerate the coordination
> a lot
>
> ==> working (C:Wang Wei, J:Yoneya, K:???)
>
> ToDo-13<must> convener fixes the agenda through consultation with
> CJK colleagues (Hiro is pleased to behave as the
> convener until someone will raise his/her hand)
>
> ==> working (to be fixed Monday night, 11 May)
>
> [[Integration Algorithm - additional]]
>
> ToDo-14<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP reviews the feedback from IP as
> a result of ToDo-5, and drafts questions and comments
> to IP and sends it to Hiro<hotta at jprs.co.jp> and
> Yoneya<yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp> by Monday night,
> 11 May,
> and then Hiro and Yoneya will compile the questions
> and comments into one file and send it to IP on
> Tuesday morning
>
> ==> just begun
>
> ========================================================================
>
>
>
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 02:05:17 +0900
> HiroHOTTA <hotta at jprs.co.jp> wrote:
> > Dear colleagues in CGP/JGP/KGP,
> >
> > If I may, in order for us to make our Seoul meeting efficient and
> > fruitful, I'd like to propose what each of us is expected to
> > prepare well before the meeting.
> >
> > I know I am very pushy but I think at least we must not use our
> > precious time just to understand the information in front of us for
> > a long time.
> >
> > Please give comments and let's discuss online about the ToDo's
> > before Seoul meeting .
> >
> > ==
> >
> > [[Premise]]
> >
> > ToDo-1 <must> Each participant understands what RootLGR is and
> > what is expected for GPs to do.
> >
> > ToDo-2 <must> Each participant understands Yoneya's algorithm
> > that was already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Yoneya and
> > also agreed by C and J in Dallas, which is attached
> > to this mail as well
> >
> > ToDo-3 <must> Each participant understands MSS concept that was
> > already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Dr. Wang Wei, which
> > is attached to this mail along with HiroHOTTA's
> > response
> >
> > ToDo-4 <expected> Participants agree on Yoneya's algorithm as a
> > framework and also agree on partial usage of MSS
> > to accelerate our discussion ("partial" means
> > "J doesn't need to be considered to be incorporated
> > into MSS") This is expected to be discussed and
> > finalized online before our meeting
> >
> > [[Integration Algorithm]]
> >
> > ToDo-5 <expected> J gets IP's feedback on Yoneya's algorithm
> >
> > [[MSS/LGR-1]]
> >
> > ToDo-6 <must> C prepares MSS repertoire, which may be
> > equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 repertoire (done?)
> >
> > ToDo-7 <expected> C prepares Chinese variants within MSS, which may
> > be equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 (planned date is
> > expected to be declared, if not in time for the
> > meeting)
> >
> > ToDo-8 <must> J prepares Japanese LGR-1 repertoire and variants
> > (there's no variants in Japanese LGR-1 : they
> > were already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP)
> >
> > ToDo-9 <must> K prepares the basic idea of Korean LGR-1 repertoire
> > and variants
> >
> > ToDo-10<expected> K prepares Korean LGR-1 repertoire and variants
> > (planned date is expected to be declared, ift
> > LGR-1 does not come in time for the meeting)
> >
> > ToDo-11<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP assesses the repertoires and
> > variants that have already been provided by other
> > GPs as far as possible
> >
> > [[Logistics/etc.]]
> >
> > ToDo-12<must> each CGP/JGP/KGP Chair designates a person in charge
> > of ToDo-5 to ToDo-11 well in advance to the meeting
> > (expected to post the (names) in replying this mail
> > by May 1st) - this may accelerate the coordination
> > a lot
> >
> > ToDo-13<must> convener fixes the agenda through consultation with
> > CJK colleagues (Hiro is pleased to behave as the
> > convener until someone will raise his/her hand)
> >
> > Hiro
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > japanesegp mailing list
> > japanesegp at icann.org
> > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/japanesegp
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> japanesegp mailing list
> japanesegp at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/japanesegp
>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: 20150326-CJK-coordination-steps_IP.pdf
Type: application/octet-stream
Size: 305361 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/chinesegp/attachments/20150510/6d2f058b/20150326-CJK-coordination-steps_IP-0001.pdf>
More information about the ChineseGP
mailing list