[ChineseGP] 答复: 答复: Characters likely to cause offence

Thu May 14 09:19:40 UTC 2015

Hello All,

the discussion on 卍 and 卐 must abide by some wider principle. In this case, the principle of historic precedence should be respected: the Sanskrit svastika, which can be traced back at least to the Neolithic, is unquestionably more ancient than any more recent use of this script, or its tragic misuse by the Nazi régime in the first half of the 20th century.

I would therefore urge that we keep the historic Sanskrit script present in the list, insofar as it has been adopted in Chinese, Japanese or Korean usage, for instance in religious or other texts.

To be perfectly clear, by taking this position of respecting the original Sanskrit script, I am in no way condoning the despicable Nazi régime that later employed this as its trademark.

Best regards,
Jean-Jacques.

----- Mail original -----
De: "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43 at hotmail.com>
À: "王伟" <wangwei at cnic.cn>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp>, "Chris' 'Dillon" <c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk>
Cc: ChineseGP at icann.org, KoreanGP at icann.org, JapaneseGP at icann.org
Envoyé: Mercredi 13 Mai 2015 14:18:33
Objet: [ChineseGP] 答复:  答复:  Characters likely to cause offence

Besides卍and 卐, there would be many "sensitive" even "dirty" characters in the repertoire. I agree with Wang Wei, let's leave such issue to IP or next working stage.
BTW. Sorry for not being able to attend the important meeting. I believe your guys will come up with good result.
The best regards,

Zhang 

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: chinesegp-bounces at icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces at icann.org] 代表 王伟
发送时间: 2015年5月12日 10:35
收件人: 'Yoshiro YONEYA'; 'Dillon, Chris'
抄送: KoreanGP at icann.org; ChineseGP at icann.org; JapaneseGP at icann.org
主题: [ChineseGP] 答复: Characters likely to cause offence

I guess both of 卍and 卐 (swastika, स्वस्तिक) were imported into Chinese characters from ancient India Buddhism hundreds years ago Both of them mean something like luck or fortune in east Asia. Most western people don’t know them until one of them was borrowed by Nazi.

What about  leave the problem to IP or policy guys. Let's finish repertoire, variant coordination and generation rules first.

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: chinesegp-bounces at icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces at icann.org] 代表 Yoshiro YONEYA
发送时间: 2015年5月12日 9:55
收件人: Dillon, Chris
抄送: ChineseGP at icann.org; KoreanGP at icann.org; JapaneseGP at icann.org
主题: Re: [ChineseGP] Characters likely to cause offence

Dear Chris-san,

> I suspect there may be other characters in there that could cause 
> offence, but 卐 5350 could be horribly abused. I realize that the character it represents is used innocently in temples.

The reason why this character (U+5350) is in J-LGR-2 is that this is defined as variant of U+534D in C-LGR-1.  U+534D is in
J-LGR-1 repertoire, so it was integrated into J-LGR-2 by proposed integration algorithm.

As you see in J-LGR-2.xlsx, U+5350 is marked as (o) or (b), so it will never appear on Root zone if it is used in applied-for string as Japanese IDN TLD.

Regards,

--
Yoshiro YONEYA <yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp>

On Mon, 11 May 2015 14:02:14 +0000 "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk> wrote:

> Dear Yoneya-san,
> 
> I mentioned in my last email that one of the things I found in J-LGR-2.xlsx was of a more serious nature.
> 
> I suspect there may be other characters in there that could cause 
> offence, but 卐 5350 could be horribly abused. I realize that the character it represents is used innocently in temples.
> 
> It is not our responsibility to make decisions about cases such as 
> this and as far as I know, no part of the existing system deals with 
> them. However, having observed long discussion over cases such as .xxx and .sucks, alarm bells do go off and one feels one should draw 5350 to the attention of colleagues.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chris.
> --
> Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital 
> Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int
> 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
> 
> 

_______________________________________________
ChineseGP mailing list
ChineseGP at icann.org
https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp

_______________________________________________
ChineseGP mailing list
ChineseGP at icann.org
https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp
_______________________________________________
ChineseGP mailing list
ChineseGP at icann.org
https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp