[ChineseGP] 答复: Can I get a list of 2235 Simplified Hanzi chars (UCS code position and glyph)
齐超
qichao at cnnic.cn
Fri Aug 14 08:50:20 UTC 2015
Dear Mr. KIM,
I am glad to hear from you.
The C-LGR-1(2015.04.30) has three sources :
1. General standard Chinese characters table (8105 chars, https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-cn/%E9%80%9A%E7%94%A8%E8%A7%84%E8%8C%83%E6%B1%89%E5%AD%97%E8%A1%A8 )
2. International Ideograph CORE Set ( https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9C%8B%E9%9A%9B%E8%A1%A8%E6%84%8F%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97%E6%A0%B8%E5%BF%83 )
IICore includes http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2010/10375-02n4153-files/IICORE.txt.
3. Code points that have been registered as a Chinese Domain in CGP.
And General standard Chinese characters table(8105) is NOT dependent to Simplified Chinese Summary Table(2235). So I think it is reasonable that the 19 simplified chars are NOT in General standard Chinese characters table .
Best Regards.
QiChao via foxmail
发件人： KIM Kyongsok
发送时间： 2015年8月14日(星期五) 下午3:40
收件人： 齐超
抄送： wangwei; ChineseGP at icann.org; koreanGP at icann.org; JapaneseGP at icann.org; KIM Kyongsok; 김 민지; 신상현; 조성덕
主题： Re: Re: [ChineseGP]答复: Can I get a list of 2235 Simplified Hanzi chars (UCS code position and glyph)
Dear Mr. Qichao:
Thanks very much for you quick response.
(I thought it would take more time for you to find/make a new simp-trad list)
I checked the new simp-trad list you sent to me.
The quality of this new list is really great.
I could not find any error/problem which existed in the first simp-trad list.
There is one thing I would like to mention.
I found one thing which I did not expect at all.
19 simplified chars are NOT in 12563 Hanzi in C-LGR-1 (2015.04.30.) !
I don't think this is an error.
I expected that all of 2235 simplified Hanzi are in 12563 Hanzi in
C-LGR-1 (2015.04.30.), which is not true.
I really appreciate your help.
Rgds,
KIM, K.
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QUES3 ?: 1: simp 䎬(43AC) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 2: simp 䞍(478D) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 3: simp 㱮(3C6E) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 4: simp 䙌(464C) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 5: simp 㧏(39CF) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 6: simp 唡(5521) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 7: simp 䦶(49B6) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 8: simp 䦷(49B7) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 9: simp 鹥(9E65) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 10: simp 挢(6322) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 11: simp 谉(8C09) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 12: simp 挜(631C) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 13: simp 䲣(4CA3) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 14: simp 饦(9966) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 15: simp 馎(998E) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 16: simp 䥺(497A) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 17: simp 铓(94D3) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 18: simp 䦂(4982) NOT in 12563;
QUES3 ?: 19: simp 䦆(4986) NOT in 12563;
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:30 PM, 齐超 <qichao at cnnic.cn> wrote:
> Mr. KIM,
>
> Hello, here is a new simp-trad list from
> https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E7%AE%80%E5%8C%96%E5%AD%97%E6%80%BB%E8%A1%A8.
>
> Unfortunately I could NOT visit zh.wikipedia.org, I found
> zh.wikisource.org instead of it.
>
> This new list contains:
>
> Table1 , 350 Hanzi
> Table 2, 132 Hanzi
> Table 3, 1753 (1755 includes Two code points in Table1 as former mail,
> which are
>
> "签 - 籤" "须 - 鬚" in table1,
> "签 - 簽" "须 - 須" in table 3.)
>
> Total count is 2235 ! Please check it and if any problem, do not hesitate to
> contact me.
>
> I am very sorry for any inconvenience of the last list.
>
> Thank you.
>
> ________________________________
> Qichao
>
> 发件人： KIM Kyongsok
> 发送时间： 2015年8月11日(星期二) 下午10:57
> 收件人： 齐超; wangwei
> 抄送： ChineseGP at icann.org; KIM Kyongsok; 김 민지; 조성덕; 신상현
> 主题： Re: Re: [ChineseGP]答复: Can I get a list of 2235 Simplified Hanzi chars
> (UCS code position and glyph)
> Dear Messrs WANG and Qichao:
>
> Thanks very much for your list of simplified Hanzi.
> I really appreciate it.
>
> I checked your list and found some confusing lines.
> You can check the attached PDF file for details.
>
> Thank very much..
>
> Rgds,
>
> KIM, Kyongsok
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 5:45 PM, 齐超 <qichao at cnnic.cn> wrote:
>> Dear KIM,
>>
>> Hello , this attachment is Simplified Hanzi List, which is from
>> http://wenke.hep.edu.cn/gfhz/html/gfbz.asp .
>>
>> This file contains three table:
>>
>> Table1 , 350 Hanzi
>> Table 2, 132 Hanzi
>> Table 3, 1754 (Not 1753)
>>
>> Total hanzi are 2236. But please note that there are duplicate simplified
>> hanzi in table1 and table3:
>> "签 - 籤"
>> "须 - 鬚" in table1,
>> and
>> "签 - 簽"
>> "须 - 須" in table 3.
>>
>> If any question ,please contact me. Thank you .
>>
>> Best Regards.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Qichao via foxmail
>>
>> 发件人： KIM Kyongsok
>> 发送时间： 2015年8月10日(星期一) 上午11:23
>> 收件人： 王伟
>> 抄送： 김 민지; 조성덕; chinesegp at icann.org; 신상현
>> 主题： Re: [ChineseGP]答复: Can I get a list of 2235 Simplified Hanzi chars
>> (UCS
>> code position and glyph)
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 12:18 PM, 王伟 <wangwei at cnic.cn> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Kim
>>>
>>> We are working on that list and will response ASAP.
>>
>> Dear Mr. Wang Wei:
>>
>> Great. Thanks so much.
>>
>> KIM, K.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your work at KGP, hope everything goes well.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----邮件原件-----
>>> 发件人: chinesegp-bounces at icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces at icann.org] 代表
>>> KIM Kyongsok
>>> 发送时间: 2015年8月10日 11:07
>>> 收件人: Kenny Huang, Ph.D.
>>> 抄送: 김 민지; 조성덕; chinesegp at icann.org; 신상현
>>> 主题: Re: [ChineseGP] Can I get a list of 2235 Simplified Hanzi chars (UCS
>>> code position and glyph)
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Huang:
>>>
>>> Thanks very much for your explanation and translation.
>>>
>>> Now I wonder if I can
>>> a list of 2235 Simplified Hanzi chars (UCS code position and glyph) and
>>> corresponding Traditional Hanzi chars (UCS code position and glyph).
>>>
>>>
>>> It can be shown in a table format as follows:
>>>
>>> Simp/UCS and glyph; Trad1/UCS and glyph, (Trad2/UCS and glyph, ...)
>>>
>>> 1. ..... .....
>>> 2. .... .....
>>> ...
>>> 2235 ... ....
>>>
>>> For some simplified char, there can be more than one corresponding
>>> traditional chars in general.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks very much in advance.
>>>
>>> KIM, K.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Kenny Huang, Ph.D. <huangksh at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Dear Prof. Kim,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. The information is clear. "简化字总表" in English I guess would be
>>>> "A Summary of Simplified Chinese Character". Correct me if my
>>>> translation is wrong. Our CN colleagues can do a much better job than
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> 简化字总表 is the foundation of Traditional Chinese / Simplified Chinese
>>>> CDNC table. However, the existing version of CDNC table is made by
>>>> many language experts from different regions and refer to various
>>>> sources, which include but not limited to 简化字总表.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Kenny Huang
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10 August 2015 at 09:50, KIM Kyongsok <gimgs0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Mr. Kenny Huang:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your quick response.
>>>>>
>>>>> I cannot fully understand Chinese explanation found in wikipedia.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, roughly I understood it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am referring to 2235 chars (= 350 chars table 1,
>>>>> 132 chars in table 2, 1753 chars in table 3) in 简化字 总表.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope it answers your question.
>>>>>
>>>>> * BTW, what is the official full name of "简化字 总表." in Chinese and
>>>>> English (e.g., standard number(?), published by what government
>>>>> branch, years, etc.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rgds,
>>>>>
>>>>> KIM, K.
>>>>> -----------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%AE%80%E5%8C%96%E5%AD%97%E6%80%BB%E8
>>>>> %A1%A8
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 简化字总表
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 《简化字总表》是中国大陆曾经的简化字标准，于2013年由《通用规范汉字表》（基本沿袭《简化字总表》之标准，但没有提及字表以外的汉字是否类推
>>>>> 简化）取代。
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 《简化字总表》最初在1964年发表，是为了修补1956年公布的《汉字简化方案》的缺漏。《汉字简化方案》由于欠缺系统及不作说明，导致了社会上
>>>>> 用字混乱。
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 后于1977年二简字草案公布，试行了一段时间后中止，
>>>>>
>>>>> 1980年起再行修订，但是二简字修订草案最后不被采用，二简字被废除，
>>>>>
>>>>> 因此1986年再次发布《简化字总表》。
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 《简化字总表》的最终版本是1986年修订版，
>>>>>
>>>>> 共收2,274个简化字及 14个简化偏旁：
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 第一表收不可用作简化偏旁的简化字350个，
>>>>>
>>>>> 第二表收可作简化偏旁用的简化字132个及
>>>>>
>>>>> 讠[訁]、饣[飠]、纟[糹]、钅[釒]、呙[咼]等14个简化偏旁，
>>>>>
>>>>> 第三表收类推简化字1,753个，
>>>>>
>>>>> 《附录》收习惯被看作简化字的规范汉字39个，
>>>>>
>>>>> 其《说明》里有提到表外字“凡用第二表的简化字或简化偏旁作为偏旁的，一般应该同样简
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Kenny Huang, Ph.D.
>>>>> <huangksh at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Dear Prof. Kim,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I am not sure what list you requested. Can you tell us a little bit
>>>>> > more about the information of the list ?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks and Regards
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Kenny Huang
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 10 August 2015 at 08:05, KIM Kyongsok <gimgs0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Dear everybody:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I would like to modify my request as follows:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I would like to get
>>>>> >> a list of 2235 Simplified Hanzi chars (UCS code position and
>>>>> >> glyph) and corresponding Traditional Hanzi chars (UCS code
>>>>> >> position and glyph).
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It can be shown in a table format as follows:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Simp/UCS and glyph; Trad1/UCS and glyph, (Trad2/UCS and glyph,
>>>>> >> ...)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 1. ..... .....
>>>>> >> 2. .... .....
>>>>> >> ...
>>>>> >> 2235 ... ....
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> For some simplified char, there can be more than one corresponding
>>>>> >> traditional chars in general.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks very much in advance.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> KIM, K.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Re: Can I get a list of 2235 Simplified Hanzi chars (UCS code
>>>>> >> position and glyph)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 9:37 PM, KIM Kyongsok <gimgs0 at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > Hi,
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > The subject tells everything ^ - ^
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Thanks in advance.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > --
>>>>> >> > 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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